Club Q Q107-Loyalty Club (Southern ON Only) v4

[The Jester]

In case you need a little rush

[rock lobster]

gas just went up 4 cents a litre Sunday night and now...


Gas prices expected to rise three cents on April 13, 104.9 c/L
En-Pro tells 680 NEWS gas prices are expected to increase by three cents on April 13, to an average price of 104.9 cents/litre at most GTA gas stations.



remember back in the gas / gallon days? 4 cents a litre is about 18 cents per gallon. there used to be a major uproar when gas went up 1 cent a GALLON overnight!

I paid $2.39, U.S. of course, today for 93 octane.
Can you spell ripoff?

[The Jester]

I still like this album the best of theirs for all round musicality (probably because its more rock influenced than their more prevalent jazz side)

[heartgirl99]

creepy version of "enter sandman"

[the H team]

[the H team]

[the H team]

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[zfurman]

Interesting article about Hwy $407

HISTORY OF HWY. 407 You can drive the 400 mile length of the New York Thruway (I-90), from Buffalo to New York City , a toll road with fully staffed toll booths, for peanuts. Actually 2.1 cents per km. No accounting fee and no video fees. Then there is the cost of driving across the top of Toronto on Hwy 407........everything is electronic and automated, drivers pay for the camera operations and the billing costs in addition to the exorbitant toll rates... and the Ontario Gov. acts as 'enforcer' in collecting the unpaid tolls!! Even Al Capone and his crew never had it as good as this during the bootleg liquor days of the 1920’s and 1930’s!! .....It is very expensive to travel this road! I thought you might like to read this, it’s a real eye opener, what a rip-off!! In the early 1990’s Ontario was almost bankrupt under Bob Rae’s NDP government. But it desperately needed new roads, as it still does today. So the Rae government built a toll road around Toronto and it was a great success. It was a cash cow called the 407 ETR. The Conservative government of Mike Harris then later foolishly leased this road for 99 years to a Quebec-based company for a substantial amount of money. This was in May 1999, and was done to reduce the deficit and look good. Before the Harris government could lease the road, however, they had to pass new legislation to allow this, because never before had a ‘public road’ been sold to a private company. This very flawed legislation was passed in November 1998. The new Quebec owners then closed the deal and Ontario had ‘sold’ it’s first highway. This Quebec company then sold the road at a profit to Spanish owners, thus assuring that profits from the road would never be taxed in Canada. As part of this deal, the Ontario government agreed that individual license plate renewal would be denied if there were any outstanding tolls against that plate and its owner. So this arrangement, in practice, made our government a collection agency for a privately held, for-profit foreign consortium. In addition, the terms of the deal stated that there would be no statute of limitations on these bills and that they would never go away even if the citizen went bankrupt. Even your income tax has a statute of limitations. The 407 ETR refuses now, as then, to produce any photographic or other evidence, that what they bill is an accurate reflection of the offending vehicles presence on their roadway. So there is no accountability and OUR Government still collects the SPANISH bills for them. Oh, I forgot to mention that the Spanish company decides on the interest rate on these forever bills and currently it is 26.82 per cent compounded monthly but it varies based on the whims of the Spanish owners. And there is a definite problem with who gets billed. In very short order after the sale of the highway, according to the media of that time, 100,000 citizens who had never been on the road had been incorrectly billed. The MPP’s were deluged with complaints and so the Conservatives under then transportation minister David Turnbull told the private Spanish company to clean up their act. Until there was evidence of that happening their collection deal was cancelled. This was in 2000. But in 2005 the 407 ETR went to court to reinstate its original sweetheart deal. The judge ruled in its favour even though this company still showed no accountability and still did not produce evidence of the legitimacy of it’s charges. The government of Premier Dalton McGuinty should have appealed this decision but did not. Now the government is the collection agency for the Spanish consortium.. Now the agreement covers any vehicle that is owned by the person who has an offending licence plate. So if you own six vehicles and one of them is alleged to have been on their road, your government will not issue any licence plates for any of your vehicles until you pay the ‘alleged bill’ at your government licence office, whether it is correct or not. The toll in 1999 was seven cents a kilometre; now it is 19.85 cents a kilometre! There is also a monthly accounting fee of $2.50 and a video charge of $3.25. That is far beyond the rate of inflation and there is no control on how much this foreign company can charge. The tolls here are higher than anywhere that I travel. This road is simply built through corn fields, whereas in Mexico or Italy there are mountains, tunnels, bridges, etc., and still those countries have tolls that are substantially lower. You can travel from here to Los Angeles for less toll than it costs to cross Toronto . I believe the current toll in Mexico is 13 cents per kilometer, but that includes automatic medical coverage for everyone in the vehicle. With all the road tax that we Ontarian's pay, the last thing we ever expected was a toll road. We need to buy back this road and break the deal with this consortium. I find this whole arrangement both offensive and intimidating. If any Canadian government is going to collect for any privately held company, change the rules on the statute of limitations, etc.. then it had better collect for all private companies on the same terms. This current arrangement discriminates against all other private companies. STAY OFF THE 407 AND STARVE THEM OUT OF EXISTENCE!!!!!!!!!! SPREAD THIS INFO TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW.......

Great article and one reason why I have refused to use the 407ETR for the past 15 years except in an extreme emergency.

Appreciate this post and hope more get into the habit of not using it.

Cheers Jester!!!

[habs rule]

Interesting article about Hwy $407

HISTORY OF HWY. 407 You can drive the 400 mile length of the New York Thruway (I-90), from Buffalo to New York City , a toll road with fully staffed toll booths, for peanuts. Actually 2.1 cents per km. No accounting fee and no video fees. Then there is the cost of driving across the top of Toronto on Hwy 407........everything is electronic and automated, drivers pay for the camera operations and the billing costs in addition to the exorbitant toll rates... and the Ontario Gov. acts as 'enforcer' in collecting the unpaid tolls!! Even Al Capone and his crew never had it as good as this during the bootleg liquor days of the 1920’s and 1930’s!! .....It is very expensive to travel this road! I thought you might like to read this, it’s a real eye opener, what a rip-off!! In the early 1990’s Ontario was almost bankrupt under Bob Rae’s NDP government. But it desperately needed new roads, as it still does today. So the Rae government built a toll road around Toronto and it was a great success. It was a cash cow called the 407 ETR. The Conservative government of Mike Harris then later foolishly leased this road for 99 years to a Quebec-based company for a substantial amount of money. This was in May 1999, and was done to reduce the deficit and look good. Before the Harris government could lease the road, however, they had to pass new legislation to allow this, because never before had a ‘public road’ been sold to a private company. This very flawed legislation was passed in November 1998. The new Quebec owners then closed the deal and Ontario had ‘sold’ it’s first highway. This Quebec company then sold the road at a profit to Spanish owners, thus assuring that profits from the road would never be taxed in Canada. As part of this deal, the Ontario government agreed that individual license plate renewal would be denied if there were any outstanding tolls against that plate and its owner. So this arrangement, in practice, made our government a collection agency for a privately held, for-profit foreign consortium. In addition, the terms of the deal stated that there would be no statute of limitations on these bills and that they would never go away even if the citizen went bankrupt. Even your income tax has a statute of limitations. The 407 ETR refuses now, as then, to produce any photographic or other evidence, that what they bill is an accurate reflection of the offending vehicles presence on their roadway. So there is no accountability and OUR Government still collects the SPANISH bills for them. Oh, I forgot to mention that the Spanish company decides on the interest rate on these forever bills and currently it is 26.82 per cent compounded monthly but it varies based on the whims of the Spanish owners. And there is a definite problem with who gets billed. In very short order after the sale of the highway, according to the media of that time, 100,000 citizens who had never been on the road had been incorrectly billed. The MPP’s were deluged with complaints and so the Conservatives under then transportation minister David Turnbull told the private Spanish company to clean up their act. Until there was evidence of that happening their collection deal was cancelled. This was in 2000. But in 2005 the 407 ETR went to court to reinstate its original sweetheart deal. The judge ruled in its favour even though this company still showed no accountability and still did not produce evidence of the legitimacy of it’s charges. The government of Premier Dalton McGuinty should have appealed this decision but did not. Now the government is the collection agency for the Spanish consortium.. Now the agreement covers any vehicle that is owned by the person who has an offending licence plate. So if you own six vehicles and one of them is alleged to have been on their road, your government will not issue any licence plates for any of your vehicles until you pay the ‘alleged bill’ at your government licence office, whether it is correct or not. The toll in 1999 was seven cents a kilometre; now it is 19.85 cents a kilometre! There is also a monthly accounting fee of $2.50 and a video charge of $3.25. That is far beyond the rate of inflation and there is no control on how much this foreign company can charge. The tolls here are higher than anywhere that I travel. This road is simply built through corn fields, whereas in Mexico or Italy there are mountains, tunnels, bridges, etc., and still those countries have tolls that are substantially lower. You can travel from here to Los Angeles for less toll than it costs to cross Toronto . I believe the current toll in Mexico is 13 cents per kilometer, but that includes automatic medical coverage for everyone in the vehicle. With all the road tax that we Ontarian's pay, the last thing we ever expected was a toll road. We need to buy back this road and break the deal with this consortium. I find this whole arrangement both offensive and intimidating. If any Canadian government is going to collect for any privately held company, change the rules on the statute of limitations, etc.. then it had better collect for all private companies on the same terms. This current arrangement discriminates against all other private companies. STAY OFF THE 407 AND STARVE THEM OUT OF EXISTENCE!!!!!!!!!! SPREAD THIS INFO TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW.......

Great note on what the Harris/Eaves government did to screw us and then add Dalton to continue that! The Spanish company that owns the 407 also owns one quarter of Heathrow Airport Holdings (Heathrow owns 4 airports in London). These guys are smart investors and usually know how to take advantage of a bad situation as in Ontario!

Lee I hope you are feeling better!

Since Habs are not in the playoffs, I am off to the Raptors last home game before the playoffs, tonight! Go Raps and Go Jays!

[Knottythots]

Good afternoon. I use the 407 because I have no patience. And I do my best to charge as much to the company as I possibly can!
Lee – I hope you get better soon
Rockit – you got to take it easier

[Knottythots]

I went thought the David Gilmore concert picture from April 1^st. I went from I think around 450 pictures down to 191, much better odds that the first concert. Of those I found 44 I thought were pretty good. I went though again and cut that in half. I hope you like them part one of two.

[Andit]

Good afternoon, everyone.

Things are still a bit chaotic in our world. My Mom's surgery is scheduled for Friday, so I'll be awol again for a few days on the weekend (she has to stay in hospital at least overnight).

Been trying to organize the place (I've misplaced a document I need to do my taxes - my brain is somewhat mushy these days, sigh). On the plus side, the brats have been trying to help (Quincy cat piles all the papers together and naps on them...until Lily dog comes along and drools on him...next thing ya know, fur and saliva coated papers everywhere! )

Better get back to sorting, then off to make dinner.

Hope everyone has a wonderful day.

[Knottythots]

I went thought the David Gilmore concert picture from April 1^st. I went from I think around 450 pictures down to 191, much better odds that the first concert. Of those I found 44 I thought were pretty good. I went though again and cut that in half. I hope you like them part two of two.

[Knottythots]

Andit - wishing your mom the best on Friday.