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    I refuse the gardisil this years for my daughter....
    I also refused to pay for varivax and prevnar 9 years ago. (god it was so expensive!)

    I know some vaccine are useful, but I don't think we get that much benefice with all the vaccine available. I prefered a immune system build themselve with bacteria and virus met on our life... but this is my point of you, you could have an other one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2010ontest View Post
    I refuse the gardisil this years for my daughter....
    I also refused to pay for varivax and prevnar 9 years ago. (god it was so expensive!)

    I know some vaccine are useful, but I don't think we get that much benefice with all the vaccine available. I prefered a immune system build themselve with bacteria and virus met on our life... but this is my point of you, you could have an other one.

    I really think we need to go back to the theory of building up our immune systems on our own.

    I think we are to reliant on medicine and of course antibiotics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patty Smyth View Post
    I really think we need to go back to the theory of building up our immune systems on our own.

    I think we are to reliant on medicine and of course antibiotics.
    And dying from easily preventable deseases like chlorea, typhoid, measles, polio and smallpox....


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    Quote Originally Posted by Patty Smyth View Post
    I really think we need to go back to the theory of building up our immune systems on our own.

    I think we are to reliant on medicine and of course antibiotics.
    Think of that:

    In comparison of the number of bacteria and virus we met in our life only few of them give us pathologicals symtoms and visibles signs because the body have the immune system to defend. Yes to build a good system we need to expose it a bit to various thing and let doing the job.

    Patty with my 4 kids here, only one of them had antibiotic prescription one time and it was 5 years ago already!

    For me, one of the problem with vaccine is the 2 points of view not often compatible. There is the point of view of individual people and there is a social point of view for the good of the majority as an entity. I understand some decision are take for the common and not the individual. But as an individu I don't want some of the social decision!
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    This is a really sensitive and personal topic, and I do believe it can only be discussed if both parties abstain from hyperboles, since all it does is alienate the other side of the debate...

    Anyway, can't comment on the state of the vaccination schedules here in Canada, but I do know in the States, a large part of the problem is that too many vaccines are given at once. They give a lot more vaccines to begin with nowadays and they try to fit them into a smaller timeframe and I am of the belief that it can overwhelm certain small bodies.

    On top of that, as many of you stated already, I just think we have too many vaccines for everything nowadays being pushed into our faces. Not questioning diseases like polio, measles, whatnot, but those H1N1 and Gardasil and whatever else, yes.

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    I think that this is a personal decision that you have to discuss with your family and medical professional. I say, to each their own.

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    due to allergy issues on both sides, we had to delay vaxxing and make sure the vaxs are given seperatley...

    Both DD1 and Ds got chicken pox though garderie due to mothers.....deciding to take their off-spring to "PoxParties" and being exposed for thier convience...so they had leave over the tax-season*

    My children and others were exposed since those infected children were then allowed to mingle with their peers....Thanx non-vaxxing mom...shame it backfired and your kids weren't infected and you still had to work.

    * the mother bragged to a friend of mine about her plan to take the whole of March off due to her children being sick...eyeroll!.


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    I have been lucky so far DD has not had antibiotics and DS only twice.

    I think we also have to be careful in that pharmeceutical companies can make fortunes off these vaccines and really some diseases are not a threat to the general population.

    It's ok to get sick. I also don't like the way the H1N1 business was handled. I think they really tried very hard to put the fear in people for no reason. There are groups of people who are always at risk and do need to be vaccinated but for the most part healthy people can fight off diseases or have just a mild case. I know that for my parents who are 87 there was no question that they get flu shots every year and they did opt to get the H1N1 vaccine which has now been incorporated into the geneal flue shot that they got this year.

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    ok, 10L of yogurt in process tonight
    I put them in 20X500ml wide mouth Mason jar

    I will have happy DS tomorow!!!

    (And I hope I will have enough for all the spring break week! This is not sure)
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    3 more hours to go. Omg, if this is any indication as to what I'm going to be like when the boys move out . I think I ought to invest in Zoloft stocks or something .
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2010ontest View Post
    I prefered a immune system build themselve with bacteria and virus met on our life...
    Quote Originally Posted by Patty Smyth View Post
    I really think we need to go back to the theory of building up our immune systems on our own.

    I think we are to reliant on medicine and of course antibiotics.
    CBC Marketplace did a very interesting piece on the overuse of antibiotics in the poultry industry and the repercussions on human health Superbugs in the Supermarket

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    So decision time, get the guy to come and look at the freezer(which is working but making intermitant horrible noises) fix it if it's not too expensive(meaning not more than $100) or get a new one or don't have him come and take a chance that it(the noise) will go away.

    Tic Tock it's 19 years old and probably a horrible elcetricity guzzler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snuffaluffagus View Post
    3 more hours to go. Omg, if this is any indication as to what I'm going to be like when the boys move out . I think I ought to invest in Zoloft stocks or something .

    hahah you're as bad as me, I don't even let Kiera go on field trips with the school(don't trust them at all)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patty Smyth View Post
    I really think we need to go back to the theory of building up our immune systems on our own.

    I think we are to reliant on medicine and of course antibiotics.
    Absolutely agree. Besides, do we really know what is getting into our system? I could be a simple placebo.

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