Here's a Hot Topic - Harper Gov. to Open abortion Debate < - the lies continue

[Patty Smyth]

Much as this debate has turned into the pro-choice verus pro-life I still want to know if anyone thinks the government has a right to decide this for us.

Stll trying to get that answered.

[Insane]

What about when it is about the health of the mother? What about rape, incest, genetic deformaties which will result in death to both the mother or child , fetuses with no brains etc...

Exactly. It's not a black and white issue.

Plus keep in mind that birth control is not 100% effective.

[DaveP]

Just reread my statement about the church beign in no postition to pass moral judgement on this topic because it certainly doens't have it's house in order.

Religious oppression of women is a whole other thread.

I'm not part of any church Patty! I think this is the third time I've said it in this thread! Patty, I'm an atheist just like you.

Why do you think you have to subscribe to some religion to not want children to die?

[DaveP]

Much as this debate has turned into the pro-choice verus pro-life I still want to know if anyone thinks the government has a right to decide this for us.

Stll trying to get that answered.

Yes.

Answered.

Just like the government has a right to tell you you can't kill your baby two months after birth.

No difference.

[Insane]

Much as this debate has turned into the pro-choice verus pro-life I still want to know if anyone thinks the government has a right to decide this for us.

Stll trying to get that answered.

No. The government, nor anyone, gets to decide what I, a highly educated woman, does with my body.

[Patty Smyth]

I'm not part of any church Patty! I think this is the third time I've said it in this thread! Patty, I'm an atheist just like you.

Why do you think you have to subscribe to some religion to not want children to die?

In my initial statement I am talking about those people who are most vocal about this topic and try to control it. Politicians, the church and men in power. That statement made no reference to your position.

[DH666]

I never said others can't express their opinion. Really, show me the post where I said that. I didn't start this thread, simply gave my opinion in it. Am I not allowed to do that? Because you disagree with my opinion it's not valid?

And I never flamed anyone, but you just flamed me by calling me immature.

Your kind of like the King of Irony.

Sorry, I must have been mistaken then. I guess calling other people murderers isn't flaming them.

[DaveP]

No. The government, nor anyone, gets to decide what I, a highly educated woman, does with my body.

It's not your body, it's your baby's body your killing.

How do people not get this?

[DaveP]

Sorry, I must have been mistaken then. I guess calling other people murderers isn't flaming them.

You have another word for killing children?

[Patty Smyth]

Killing children is murder , abortion is a medical procedure to end a pregnancy for what ever reason the individual has. It is not illegal and therefore not murder. If it were illegal then this would be a different argument in my opinion. As long as the law is on the side of the woman's right to decide.

Judging by your comments Dave I am guessing you would want the government to criminalize this or make it illegal.

[Kalmel]

Much as this debate has turned into the pro-choice verus pro-life I still want to know if anyone thinks the government has a right to decide this for us.

Stll trying to get that answered.

I dont think you'll get a answer on this.... tons of opinions, that you shall have..LOL

For me, well it depends. I've always been comfortable in saying that a child is considered "living" when the heart beats, so getting an abortion after that just doesnt seem the right thing to do..but that's just how i feel and how well i wanna sleep at night. I did have a close friend who got an abortion years ago for something horrible that happened to her and i supported her all the way but i also did know a girl that was going for her 3rd abortion and it just got under my skin and i remember listening to her talk about it like it was no big deal... seriously??? So, bottom line for me, i really try to not judge and respect the freedom of our bodies and being able to decide but it also makes me wonder if other solutions could balance both sides??

[DaveP]

In my initial statement I am talking about those people who are most vocal about this topic and try to control it. Politicians, the church and men in power. That statement made no reference to your position.

Men. Men? Really Patty? You think it's only men who don't want children dead? Do you think I'm some kind of sexist because I want children to live? Really?

Plenty of women agree with me completely, a few in this thread. This is NOT a man v woman thing. I don't know how anyone can think it is.

[Insane]

It's not your body, it's your baby's body your killing.

How do people not get this?

The same way you don't get that it's my uterus, my heart, my lungs, my blood, my legs, my arms, my brain, my eyes, my ears, my mental health, my body. The government doesn't decide what you do with your testicles, your heart, your lungs, your blood, your legs, your brain, your eyes, your ears, your mental health, your body. It's no different. The government doesn't decide what I put into my body nor what medical decisions I make for myself.

[FallenPixels]

No, I do not think the state (inc courts) have any right to decide if a woman can have an abortion BUT I do think that they have a right to decide if they are paying for them, the same as all other procedures

[Insane]

No, I do not think the state (inc courts) have any right to decide if a woman can have an abortion BUT I do think that they have a right to decide if they are paying for them, the same as all other procedures

The problem with that is you then create a 2 tier healthcare system where those without the means go without.