Do YOU believe in Ghosts?

[anisa]

i thought this thread was about ghosts.

[DaveP]

Dave; She grew up Christian. Went to Christian schools etc. But she hates religion. Believes in the Bible, but thinks it's been majorly misinterpreted.

I'm not sure how you can misinterpret passages like this:

Psalm 137:9
Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.
Numbers 31:17-18
Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
Exodus 22:20
He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the Lord only, he shall be utterly destroyed.

Pretty hard to misinterpret.

I agree with her on many levels, but have found a church that I love. Mainly because the church promotes that God is LOVE

Thats nice. Comforting. But it is not what the Bible says.

And interestingly, there was a presentation tonight that my husband and I attended to at our church about Hell. Dr. Jerry Walls. It was fascinating! There's a quote from C.S. Lewis, I'm going to share with you, might make you ponder(I know from your posts you say you're not a believer and that's fine! I just like being thought provoking ) Here:

I willingly believe that the damned are, in one sense, successful, rebels to the end; that the doors of hell are locked on the

inside.

All that are in Hell, choose it. Without that self-choice there could be no Hell. No soul that seriously and constantly desires joy will ever miss it. Those who seek find. To those who knock it is opened. And yourself, in a dark hour, may will [a grumbling] mood, embrace it. Ye can repent and come out of it again. But there may come a day when you can do that no longer. Then there will be no you left to criticize the mood...

CS Lewis didn't read Revelation then.

Revelation 14:11
And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

[Kalmel]

I beleive in casper the friendly ghost... all other wanna be ghost, are just trying to make a buck off casper's fame...

[kparker1786]

But it's never said who puts them in Hell specifically. That's what I found thought provoking. Some people say that people themselves will put them there because they don't want anything to do with God, some of them say God does for their sins. But no one really knows for sure. Just thought provoking.

Okay I'm not gonna reply anymore, I don't need to get into anymore trouble with others with hijacking, already got a pm about it haha.

[MortgageQueen]

Interesting thread. "ghosts" are spirits. . but not the good kind. . . "If" you are Christian, the bible condemns encouraging contact with them (mostly for your own protection)
As for Angels never being human. . . .they were indeed part-human and called Nephilim. (Genisis 6:4) Nasty things , they were. Probably the basis for the Greek "super-gods".
Any ghost you come in contact with is NOT your dead loved one as brought out below. . .
Ecclesiates 9:5,6 ^"For the living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all, neither do they anymore have wages, because the remembrance of them has been forgotten. ⁶ Also, their love and their hate and their jealousy have already perished, and they have no portion anymore to time indefinite in anything that has to be done under the sun."

[matrix82]

I beleive in casper the friendly ghost... all other wanna be ghost, are just trying to make a buck off casper's fame...

I like your thinking Kalmel.

[MortgageQueen]

Quote "Thats nice. Comforting. But it is not what the Bible says." Quote


Quote 'CS Lewis didn't read Revelation then.

Revelation 14:11
And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.[/QUOTE]'


Ok. . .Keeping in mind Dave and I are buddies and we respectfully disagree with each other. . .

The torment mentioned above is rellated to the "beast" and his image who actually do not exist forever but are operative in a time frame.
the "torment forever" is referring to a perpetual behavior that certain ones never turn away from.

that said. . . .what the heck does that have to do with ghosts Dave? ha ha! I expect better form you. . .

[Kalmel]

I like your thinking Kalmel.

aww thanks! Never seen ghosts..well besides casper. And to be honest, i'm such a chicken, i thank all my lucky stars i never came across something like this..would probably pee in my pants and tear down a wall!

[MortgageQueen]

aww thanks! Never seen ghosts..well besides casper. And to be honest, i'm such a chicken, i thank all my lucky stars i never came across something like this..would probably pee in my pants and tear down a wall!

That makes 2 of us. . . .

[DaveP]

that said. . . .what the heck does that have to do with ghosts Dave? ha ha! I expect better form you. . .

Weird thread drift, I guess. My apologies.

[MortgageQueen]

Weird thread drift, I guess. My apologies.

Was just teasing ya Dave. . . usually enjot your "thread drifts"

[matrix82]

That makes 2 of us. . . .

Three of us!

[DaveP]

aww thanks! Never seen ghosts..well besides casper. And to be honest, i'm such a chicken, i thank all my lucky stars i never came across something like this..would probably pee in my pants and tear down a wall!

That makes 2 of us. . . .

Three of us!

If I actually saw something supernatural - unmistakeably so - I don't think it would scare me so much as fascinate me. After all, I'd have to rethink my entire view of the universe. My first stop though would be to the hospital to make sure I wasn't suffering from some physical or mental condition that was making me delusional.

[Lynn49]

Hm...I'm not sure I want to dip my toes into this water, but here goes: I believe in a Superior Being, but not the God in the Bible. That God was described by humans (men) wanting to persuade people to follow THEM and their beliefs. And if it took a "god" that could smash them and toss them into a firey pit, than that's the story they'd tell. The God I know is Love personified!

I'm presently reading "The Jesus Papers", by the author, Michael Baigent, and yes, tons of speculation, secrets, innuendos, but certainly interesting reading! I guess I just have to say that having survived an after-death experience and having experienced the immense Love 'on the other side', I'm sure people wouldn't believe me anymore than they believe in ghosts. But having had that experience, how can I call anyone else's beliefs nonsense? We're all here as mere humans...spirits experiencing a 'human' existence...and we'll return to our spiritual world. When I was on the other side, I guess I felt I didn't deserve to have that experience, to be there, but the Love replied back that "you're only a mortal..a human" and that nothing more was expected of us, but to experience our humanity.

So do I believe in ghosts? I'd rather say I believe in Spirits...us being spirits...as well as others who surround us, helping us get through this humanity, which is so difficult to endure even under the best circumstances.
However, I don't believe spirits knock on doors, thump around on floors...but then again, I've never had that experience, but if and when I do, I may change my mind (and my underwear). If I expect you to believe my experience, then how can I dismiss yours?

It's a complicated world, alright....and given the choice, I may decide to stay there next time.....

JMHO...

[princessjen]

I think I do. I've seen, heard and felt some unexplainable things. Does anyone watch Ghost Adventures on the travel channel? Zac is hot!