The saga continues. . . . what's the chance Isreal's going to reach their boiling point and act . . . .?
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...84O0SN20120526
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The saga continues. . . . what's the chance Isreal's going to reach their boiling point and act . . . .?
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...84O0SN20120526
oh that's just super! :rolleyes:
and?
Well that makes me feel safe!
Comforting :disgust:
reassuring! :PQuote:
Originally Posted by kparker1786
Bah. They don't have ANY uranium capable of making a nuke. They have managed to enrich uranium to 3.5%. They have new centrifuges in the works that may be able to enrich it to 20%(a few have). But 90% u-235 is required for a working bomb. They're years away. Yes, they have enough uranium but only if they are able to enrich it ALOT further, which they don't have the capacity to do now.Quote:
Originally Posted by MortgageQueen
Yes, Israel will smite them if they continue on this path, but that isn't imminent.
and if Iran has nukes, who cares?
just because a few power hungry leaders are complaining about other power hungry leaders, does it mean that we need to take any of it seriously?
i say they should all have nukes, lots of them, hooray!
You have a point. Who'd go to war with anyone if everyone had nukes? Thing is the religious nutters (like Al'Qaeda) might if they ever got their hands on them or got control over a nation with them (like Pakistan). 72 virgins and all, yes? I wish these weapons didn't exist, though they did prevent a massive war between west and east from the 40s to the late 80s, since there could be no winner. And the leaders on both sides were rational.Quote:
Originally Posted by anisa
The ones who scare me are the ones who don't care if there's no winner because they believe God/Allah is going to take care of and reward them afterwards.
Nukes are a wonderful deterrent for sane people, but frightening in the hands of the less sane.
We can't put the genie back in the bottle though.
pakistan has nukes and conservative folk, but they don't care about nuking everyone. they aren't stupid :)
i'm sure it is the same with iran.
IF Pakistan is gonna nuke some-one, India and China are much closer and more attractive candidates than any Western country..Quote:
Originally Posted by anisa
A nuclear war between those 3 countries would be.....intereasting, to say the least.
Absolutely agreed. The military in Pakistan is not suicidal, nor is the government. But both the Taliban and Al-Qaeda are actively fighting inside Pakistan and it's hard to say how far they have penetrated into the government and military. It's unlikely, but if they did gain control, I'd find people willing to blow themselves up as well as others, in the name of Allah, rather frightening.Quote:
Originally Posted by anisa
Iran is already controlled by Islamist fundamentalists, and what they would do with the bomb is anyone's guess. Fortunately that is years off. Maybe dipliomacy will work.
Well canadians are suppose to be user friendly..geez it comes across like i'm some kind of detergent..lol.... meant, we are friendly people :biggrin: ..and yes, my english isnt that great..c'est la vie!
Yeah, the 3 of them together have about 450 warheads. They could theoretically kill up to 2 billion people if the 3 went at each other in all-out war. Can't see that happening though. Pakistan and India maybe, but they have a good deterrent not to do it. In the absence of the crazies taking over, that is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darth Penguin
i don't know about taliban/alqaeda actively fighting in pakistan. it's not like there is a civil war or something. the gov't is trying to keep taliban types from spreading too much in a specific region that borders afghanistan i think. they haven't penetrated into the military. the military is very selective and exclusive and what matters is who you know.
they have enough trouble with the countryy's diverse cultures hating each other, they aren't interested in nuking anyone.
anybody willing to bomb anyone is frightening. the ones who are s. bombers are pawns used by ppl who have their own political agendas, in my opinion.
most of the country is not conservative. might look like it to outsiders, but they really aren't. their kids are more spoiled than most that i see here.
i have never seen or heard anything about iran that has ever made me think of them as a real threat. yes, their neighbors, near and far, keep saying things about them but what are the real reasons?
sorry for being so brief, because i could go on and on ;p
If there isnt Taliban and Al-Qaeda inflitration of the military and government how could Bin laden have lived in a massive compund next to a military base for years? And yes, in northern Pakistan the Taliban and Al-Qaeda are very active and routinely engage the pakistani miltary.I think the sane ones in Pakistan will prevail (being the majority) but sometimes the crazies do take over, even when they are not the majority - because regular folk just want to live their lives. It happened in Afghanistan in the 80s after the USSR left and it could happen in Pakistan now. The same people who took Afghanistan would really like to take Pakistan now.Quote:
Originally Posted by anisa
As for Iran being a threat, when their President calls for the complete destruction of Israel (a nation with possibly 200 nukes), and they're trying to get nukes themselves, well that's a threat to everyone in the region. It's probably just empty talk, but can you imagine if Canada was trying to develop nukes and was saying we'd like to wipe the US off the map? I'm pretty sure the US would express their displeasure fairly quickly.
Surrender pronto or we'll level Toronto.
Let's not forget the US was playing a phony war against the USSR in Afghanistan in the 1980's..supplying the groups that became the Taliban with weapons and some tactical support..
North Korea has the ability , or not(LMAO) to put warheads into space....
I don't think North korea even has nukes. Their underground tests were seismically measured remotely to be about 4 kilotons. Hiroshimo was 15 kilotons, Nagasaki 20 kilotons. Those were the first ancient weapons. Modern nukes have yeild ranges in the megatons, or at least 250+ times the yeild of the Korean 'nukes'. I think they just piled a bunch of conventional explosives in a mine, set off their firecracker, and pretended to have a nuke for international prestige/influence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darth Penguin
And no, they can't put anything in space.
Proxy war, not phony. And yes, I know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darth Penguin
good morning :)
sorry if i came off a little weird last nite.
my hubby was a High Court lawyer in pakistan before he came to Canada, one of his brothers is a very well respected supreme court lawyer, another brother is an army psychologist, his dad is a well respected retired judge who had a hard-ass reputation lol. hubby's grandfather was an even more well known and respected judge. they are a family that is pretty no nonsense, doesn't care to be involved in the common corruption there.
when you hear stories and info from ppl who live there, and really understand how things work, you see that wheat we see in the media here is often just the tip of the iceberg.
no one from that region is worried about iran and nukes. they aren't concerned about an al qaeda/taliban takeover. it won't happen.
we sit here in north america and see odd pictures of their women fluttering around in long robes with faces covered, men who look mean, and very small remote villages. you go there and it is so incredibly different.
i guess what i mean is that when the media, or world leaders tell us we should fear a nation or a people just because they are different, there are usually far more hidden agendas of those same nations that might be jut as fearsome.
my inlaws are in no way, shape or form pro-taliban, but hubby has brought up the point a few times that when the taliban were controlling things, poppy crops ceased to exist. (poppies = opiates)
the americans stepped in and the poppy cops came back.
the taliban were supporting other means of living to the former poppy farmers. these poppy farmers know that opiates are bad, but they are poor. they do it to provide.
the taliban sound nutty, i would not survive in that environment lol. but when you hear stories like that it makes you wonder what the foreign agendas are for those regions.