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    Quote Originally Posted by Natalka View Post
    Wow, talk about waking up to a different world!
    Now begins such a very long, tough process.

    Dave, why do you think it's good?
    http://www.vox.com/2016/6/22/11992106/brexit-arguments

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    Thanks Dave. I wish them luck with their soon to be new PM Boris.
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    Remember when Mr Farage said that a 52% vote should lead to a new referendum???

    ast month he announced that he would fight for a second referendum on Britain in Europe if the remain campaign won by a narrow margin. Calling a small defeat for his leave camp ‘unfinished business’, he predicted a second referendum on Europe.
    He based this on 52% voting in, 48% out..




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    Quote Originally Posted by Natalka View Post
    Thanks Dave. I wish them luck with their soon to be new PM Boris.
    I hope Mr Johnson doesn't get to be PM..

    Tory party changes rules on party leader voting

    Now Tory party members will choose Britain's new Prime Minister - and you can be part of the election by paying a £25 membership

    • The new Conservative leader will be in office by the start of October
    • He or she will automatically become Prime Minister - the first time the national leader has been elected directly by party members
    • Tory MPs will hold a series of votes to select two final candidates
    • Ordinary members will then vote in a head-to-head contest

    Britain's next Prime Minister after the resignation of David Cameron will be chosen by a group of around 100,000 Conservative members, as well as the party's Members of Parliament.
    The new leader of the Tories will be invited to form a Government by the Queen as soon as he or she is elected by the party.
    The precise timetable of events is unclear - but Mr Cameron said today that he expects his successor to be in place by time of the Conservative conference in October.
    That implies that the leadership contest will have to begin within a few weeks at the latest, given that all previous such elections have taken several month


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    S&P: UK to lose AAA rating after vote to leave EU


    The UK is likely to lose its AAA credit rating after it voted to Leave the EU.
    Moritz Kramer, chief ratings officer for S&P, said on Friday morning that the UK's AAA rating was “untenable under the circumstances”.
    German daily newspaper Bild quoted Kramer as saying: “If Great Britain decides for a Brexit in the EU referendum on Thursday, then the AAA credit rating would come due and would be downgraded within a short period of time.”

    The UK Government would be informed 24 hours before any downgrade.
    The S&P is the only ratings agency of the “big three”, including Moody's and Fitch, to keep the UK at the highest grade. The other two agencies downgraded the UK in 2013.
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    Thousands of British refugees make dangerous journey across the Irish sea

    THE IRISH coast guard has today issued a nationwide warning for the East Coast as hundreds of thousands of British refugees risk their lives to cross the Irish sea in an attempt to flee the impoverished and unstable nation.
    Dinghies overflowing with desperate migrants are so far half way through their journey, many with women and children aboard, wishing to make a new start on the Emerald Isle.


    “We have rescued hundreds of people from crafts due to overcrowding,” winchman Derek Ryan of Rescue 117 told WWN today. “It’s a terrible situation as many of these people are only hoping for a better quality of life in the EU”.
    Taoiseach Enda Kenny has called an emergency meeting in the Dįil this afternoon to help find a solution to the influx of British refugees.
    It is expected many of those landing on the Irish coast will have to be quarantined, as they are not a part of the European Union.
    “Emergency prefabs will be erected to help cope and house these poor unfortunate people,” Mr. Kenny stated. “I urge everyone to do what they can to help support the migrants in anyway, whether that be waiting with hots cups of tea on the shoreline, to giving them fresh clothes to wear”.
    An estimated 450,000 people have already fled the UK mainland to neighbouring EU countries.

    this is of course a satire site...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Penguin View Post
    There was a bit of a "move to Canada" thing going on...kinda titillating to live in a country people want to flee to after their own fails. We're everyone's #2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lecale View Post
    There was a bit of a "move to Canada" thing going on...kinda titillating to live in a country people want to flee to after their own fails. We're everyone's #2.
    I'm seeing a lot of "Move to Canada " should Mr Trump become the next PotUS..or Secretary of State Clinton..


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    Interesting thing I read. apparently the billy graham evangelical society sent people to Orlando....to help the victims and their families deal with the trauma and help with the mental anguish....and didn't try and push religion and heterosexuality on them
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Penguin View Post
    I hope Mr Johnson doesn't get to be PM..

    Tory party changes rules on party leader voting
    Maybe I've changed my mind....

    Throughout the campaign, Cameron had repeatedly said that a vote for leave would lead to triggering Article 50 straight away. Whether implicitly or explicitly, the image was clear: he would be giving that notice under Article 50 the morning after a vote to leave. Whether that was scaremongering or not is a bit moot now but, in the midst of the sentimental nautical references of his speech yesterday, he quietly abandoned that position and handed the responsibility over to his successor.
    And as the day wore on, the enormity of that step started to sink in: the markets, Sterling, Scotland, the Irish border, the Gibraltar border, the frontier at Calais, the need to continue compliance with all EU regulations for a free market, re-issuing passports, Brits abroad, EU citizens in Britain, the mountain of legislation to be torn up and rewritten ... the list grew and grew.
    The referendum result is not binding. It is advisory. Parliament is not bound to commit itself in that same direction.
    The Conservative party election that Cameron triggered will now have one question looming over it: will you, if elected as party leader, trigger the notice under Article 50?
    Who will want to have the responsibility of all those ramifications and consequences on his/her head and shoulders?
    Boris Johnson knew this yesterday, when he emerged subdued from his home and was even more subdued at the press conference. He has been out-manoeuvred and check-mated.
    If he runs for leadership of the party, and then fails to follow through on triggering Article 50, then he is finished. If he does not run and effectively abandons the field, then he is finished. If he runs, wins and pulls the UK out of the EU, then it will all be over - Scotland will break away, there will be upheaval in Ireland, a recession ... broken trade agreements. Then he is also finished. Boris Johnson knows all of this. When he acts like the dumb blond it is just that: an act.
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    11 members of Shadow cabinet resign, 1 sacked over Brexit

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    Boris as leader would be horrible, I am still friends with political staffers back home and none of them want to work under 'Trump Lite'

    I worked on several anti-EU bills but Brexit at this point is an economic and political nightmare. The immigration levels per capita are lower than the US (and less illegals), Brexit has given racists a reason to spew their hatred in public, the Steering and Moody's show the economic issues before even thinking about triggering Article 50

    Cameron, while far from perfect has had a more cohesive Conservative party, even while they disagreed over Brexit views, that will change should Boris become leader.
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    Petition for second referendum may have been manipulated

    A petition calling for a second EU referendum which has gained more than 3 million signatures is under investigation by parliamentary authorities.
    The House of Commons petitions committee has confirmed that 77,000 signatures, which were added fraudulently, have been removed. A tweet by the committee said that it would continue to monitor the petition for suspicious activity.
    The request for another referendum on the parliament’s official petitions website should have been signed only by British citizens and UK residents.
    However, the petition’s data showed signatories from countries around the world, including Iceland, the Cayman Islands and Tunisia, and in some cases there are more signatures than total population.





    Despite Vatican City, a tiny city state, having a total population of just 800, over 39,000 residents of Vatican City appeared to have signed the petition.
    Helen Jones, the chair of the petitions committee, said that those signatures discovered to be fake would be “removed” and said such fraud “undermines the process of parliamentary democracy”.
    She said: “The Government Digital Service are taking action to investigate and, where necessary, remove fraudulent signatures. People adding fraudulent signatures to this petition should know that they undermine the cause they pretend to support.
    “It is clear that this petition is very important to a substantial number of people. The petitions committee will be considering the petition at its meeting next week, and will decide whether or not to schedule a debate on it.”


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    The petition was started by leave activist William Oliver Healey in May, when polls suggested remain would win. Parliament must consider all petitions that reach a threshold of 100,000 votes for a debate.
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    On Sunday, Healey posted a statement on his Facebook page attempting to distance himself from the petition. He wrote: “Due to the result, the petition has been hijacked by the remain campaign. Admittedly, my actions were premature, however, my intentions were as stated above.
    “There was no guarantee of a leave victory at that time. Having said that, if it had not been mine, it would have been orchestrated by someone on the remain campaign.
    Given that Mr Farage had called for a second referendum previously....le sighs!


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    Quote Originally Posted by FallenPixels View Post
    Boris as leader would be horrible, I am still friends with political staffers back home and none of them want to work under 'Trump Lite'

    I worked on several anti-EU bills but Brexit at this point is an economic and political nightmare. The immigration levels per capita are lower than the US (and less illegals), Brexit has given racists a reason to spew their hatred in public, the Steering and Moody's show the economic issues before even thinking about triggering Article 50

    Cameron, while far from perfect has had a more cohesive Conservative party, even while they disagreed over Brexit views, that will change should Boris become leader.
    Mr Johnson may discover being PM is a he!! of a lot more work than being London Mayor. And since he's really resting his political reputation on leaving EU, then Mr Cameron's decision to force the next leader to trigger Article 50 could well be Mr Johnson's political end.

    Mr Johnson is a reasonably intelligent man, but I doubt he's given to much introspection.


    Racist incidents feared to be linked to Brexit results

    People have been reporting incidents of racism believed to be fuelled by the result of the EU referendum, including alleged racist graffiti and cards reading “no more Polish vermin” posted through letterboxes.
    Suspected racist graffiti was found on the front entrance of the Polish Social and Cultural Association (POSK) in Hammersmith, west London, early on Sunday morning.

    The Metropolitan police confirmed they had been called to the cultural centre on Sunday morning and were pursuing inquiries related to “allegedly racially motivated criminal damage”.
    Neither POSK nor the police would confirm the content of the message, which has since been washed off.
    The Polish ambassador to Britain urged politicians to condemn what had happened. Witold Sobków’s intervention came after a number of incidents involving graffiti targeting Polish nationals in the UK. Sobków, who said the issue would be discussed in talks on Monday.

    The incident comes as Cambridgeshire police are investigating reports of racist laminated cards being distributed in Huntingdon on Friday in the hours after the leave result was announced.

    According to reports from the Cambridge News, a number of cards saying “Leave the EU/No more Polish vermin” in both English and Polish were found outside St Peter’s school by teaching assistants and students, including an 11-year-old Polish child, who reported they made him feel “really sad”.
    Cards bearing the same message were posted around a number of properties, police confirmed.
    Baroness Warsi, the former chairwoman of the Conservative party, has warned that since the referendum result was announced immigrants are being stopped in the street and told to leave the country.
    “I’ve spent most of the weekend talking to organisations, individuals and activists who work in the area of race hate crime, who monitor hate crime, and they have shown some really disturbing early results from people being stopped in the street and saying look, we voted Leave, it’s time for you to leave,” Warsi told Sky News.
    “And they are saying this to individuals and families who have been here for three, four, five generations. The atmosphere on the street is not good.”
    Warsi originally backed the Leave campaign, but switched to support Remain, calling the Leave campaign “divisive and xenophobic”.



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