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So lets do the calcul:
Working at 40 hres per week(week full) at minimun salary will bring you 21 112$ per year...does the impots are counted in that?
Poverty limit salary: 23 647$ per year...
You work full time,,,not arriving and considering poverty limit...what is wrong with that?
Maybe a little better if you are working with tips,but it is like 6,95$ per hour,not 10,16$
Yay for couponning lol...it is not a leaisure it is a priority
there is a reason why minimum wage is minimum wage... if you have no skills and or education and are working at a job as such then why should you make more? Also increasing it will only inflate prices even more and even cause some layoffs to happen as employers are unable to keep employes at the new wage. $10.16 an hour is still more then other provinces and is pretty good.
I am going to assume that the annual wages based on 51 weeks (not 52 because some holidays fall on weekdays and new people might not get holiday pay until 3 months or more on the job) might be closer to the realI am going to assume that the annual wages based on 51 weeks (not 52 because some holidays fall on weekdays and new people might not get holiday pay until 3 months or more on the job) might be closer to the reality.
Also, there are different minimum wages applying to different jobs. It would be a good SmartCanuck discussion to point out which wages apply to which jobs. Most professions have their own acts/statutes under provincial law that relate to their earnings and thus are exempt from the provincial employment lawAlso, there are different minimum wages applying to different jobs. It would be a good SmartCanuck discussion to point out which wages apply to which jobs. Most professions have their own acts/statutes under provincial law that relate to their earnings and thus are exempt from the general provincial employment act.
I have never understood why serving staff in food places don't qualify for regular minimum wage (like retail and office staff) because not everyone drinks yet serving staff have to move/lift/clean so much on a shift-there are sore muscles to compensate, and then there are the cheapskate customers who won't tip. Really, pay the staff. And that d*** tipout policy that affects some restaurants where servers either fork over a percentage to the owners or to different groups of people. Serving job ads should disclose all this information--no excuses if owners are planning to siphon earnings from serving staff. I have never understood why serving staff in food places don't qualify for regular minimum wage.
SK has the same minimum wage for everyone - there are only four provinces which don't.
Alberta $9.75 General Workers
$9.05 Liquor ServersBC $10.25
$9.00 Liquor ServersSaskatchewan $10.00 Manitoba $10.25 Ontario $10.25 General Workers
$8.90 Liquor Servers
$9.60 Student Under 18 (less than 28 hrs/wk)Quebec $9.90 General Workers
($10.15 as of May 1, 2013)
$8.55 If Gratuities Apply
($8.75 as of May 1, 2013)New Brunswick $10.00 Nova Scotia $10.30 PEI $10.00 Newfoundland & Labrador $10.00 Yukon $10.54 NWT $10.00 Nunavut $11.00
It would be a good SmartCanuck discussion to point out which wages apply to which jobs I agree with what you said Ciel and I have the same point of view.
Thanks you for the chart information Natalka :) You are great in research :)
You're welcome, cath!
I think some new Canadians, even with degrees in their own country, with many skills and years of experience, must take minimum wage jobs as they start over in Canada. Some are parents with children. Some are attending school + working, to get their education to Canadian standards.Quote:
Originally Posted by idonovan
So, it is not so cut and dry to some adults making minimum wage. The stores are not all the same. It is a difficult life for some -- not of their own choosing. Please remember this.
I am aware but it is what it is. These jobs are jobs that do not require an education regardless of who is working them. It may be hard for them but well some of the new Canadians came here not out of political reasons or war but of there own free will/ doing... they made the choice to come here they should not be treated any different. Also just because you have a child does not mean you should be treated any different in a minimum wage job. There is other help for this of course. I am not sure how it works for people who had to come here for reasons beyond normal control but still minimum wage is still there for reasons stated before and i would assume its still better then the alternative.
Oh my.Quote:
Originally Posted by idonovan
I really hope there is room for compassion when making the decision on minimum wage.
*felling sad at your response*
So sad.
People have to work retail and fast food. If no one did, there would be no one to serve you. I believe that minimum wage is far too low for those working retail and fast food... yes you can say it's their "choice" and that they could get an education and make more money, but if everyone was educated and no one wanted to work these "menial" jobs, who would run these places? robots? I would honestly be willing to pay more for my un-unnecessary purchases like clothing and cosmetics if it meant that people were being paid a living wage.
The thing that irks me the most, being a former retail worker, is that people complain when they are being served by teenagers and young adults. They complain that they want to talk to an adult, not "kids". But, in the same breath, they put down those adults for working at these jobs. What would happen if no adults worked at fast food and retail jobs and only teenagers making minimum wage did?
Can't win no matter what.
Canada is such an organized country but yet she has to reconsider and make significant changes in a minimum wages policy.
There is a HUGE difference between of working, for example, of a student of a wealthy family, who wants to earn money by himself for his education, or pocket expenses, or whaterever he needs, and a parent, who can hardly afford essential food for his child with the minimum salary. And I even don't talk about education, forget about that! You know, even a doctor with PhD degree can work as a cashier here (as an immigrant, of course). I know personally teachers (and not only, but engineers, doctors,...) with Master's degree working as waitresses in a restaurant (or cashiers in a store, or workers in a factory - and that is totally normal). But, of course, they don't complaint. Every job is respected here, and yes, at least they have a job!
So, yes, minimum wages must be set up ACCORDING to the social level of the family from where the employee comes. In that case there would be less families in need and more people would work (and would be willing to work!) at any job.
As for the minimum wages in Montreal, I do think, they are very low comparing to the higher sales tax levels (almost 15%) in Quebec.
I wonder why they don't have the same mini wage across Canada? Like one mini wage for the country?
I work minimum wage and barely survive but I still understand why it is that way if you were paying more because someone was earning more they would end up paying more of there wage aswell and if you look at the math involved you end up spending more of a % of your check and therefore end up with less money. Its hard for me to explain but as someone who just finished macroeconomics I truly believe giving more minimum wage does more harm then good. I live it it sucks but it helps with staying alive while in school as student loans cover not much beyond school expense.
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Originally Posted by idonovan
When we were brought to Canada it was under a whole different set of legistraton..We came here under the Professional and Excutives programme which meant that the company employing Mr P couldn't find some-one in North America which fitted his skill set...And I came with him with my own professional skill-set..I have and had the right to work under his visa qualifications as a professional in my own area and not as a minimum wage earner..
In fact using my profile when we moved here I was equally entitled to be an immigrant in my professional field of work without anay imput from Mr P's workplace.
I totally understand you. But if someone comes form a wealthy family and works just for his pleasure so he should not be paid the same minimum wages as someone who barely survives. Here should be a good balance, maybe a general minimum wages should be set up (let's say, from $9 to $11), and then an employer should decide how much to pay according to the social level of an employee.Quote:
Originally Posted by idonovan
In general, in my opinion, minimum wages should be set up according to the total household income of the employee. And along with that, sales taxes of the province should be taken into consideration as well.
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Interesting opinion on setting the general wages, Mia. Only drawback is if employee is seen/known to be living with family in a better than average neighbourhood. What if parents decree "sunshine daughter/son" has to pay own way through school with work while living at home. How does the employer access that information? What if the parents' home is paid off but one or both parents cannot work and thus daughter/son is helping with expenses by working?
Not a clear scenario but life happens and it's not always sweet.
Thanks for adding to the discussion!
The challenge with a system like this would be that the person with a family in need would never get hired. A business is looking to make a profit. If it has the choice of hiring one person who would be paid $10 an hour or a different person (both people with the same skill set and the same job responsibilities) for $12 an hour, most businesses would pick the $10 person to keep costs down. So good luck to that family person in getting a job. This would likely create a more difficult situation than what they currently face.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mia
If minimum wage goes up, in comparison other wages also go up. When minimum wage goes up, the cost of everything goes up because the cost of delivering the product or service goes up. The person with a higher education level and a more specialized skill set expects (fairly so) to be paid more than a person working in a job requiring less skills set. So it becomes a chicken and egg issue.
There will always be high earners and some people that are struggling more.