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Sun, Jul 14th, 2013, 01:06 PM #16
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Anyone owning a business would , ask people to avoid standing in front of their business trying to prevent them from entering or returning.. if that failed, they would contact the police.. if that failed they would sue.. its the natural progression we all should take if we are being harrassed at home or in our workplace.. That does not make him guilty.
You say that the police didn't arrest you because they know you are in the right, you have done nothing illegal. They haven't arrested Mr Holer either.
I agree that we are fortunate to live in Canada.. its one thing to speak up about circus , zoos and places such as Marine land but to slander another person infringes on their rights. From the articles you posted, he has been inspected and when problems are identified he strives to correct them to meet the required standards.
I understand that his area of business upsets you, and you feel a need to do something. I think it is important to stand up for things we believe in. I don't see however how he could have responded to your actions in a different way. He asked that it be stopped, he contacted the police and now he is suing.. to me that seems logical.. its using the system the way its meant to be used.
With regards to the trailer park, its unfortunate that the owner of the trailer park sold it to someone who has an ever growing amusement park that brings millions of dollars into Niagara Falls.. its a natural progression that it will eventually be used for that park. Its sad that someone felt hopeless and committed suicide but that was her choice not his fault.
You see him as a monster, I see him as a person trying to make a living, within the law, providing numerous jobs to the region in the park as well as the spinoff to hotels and such. I have to say if I had the choice of visiting marine land or a slaughterhouse.. I'd pick marine land every time.. Sadly I'm not a vegetarian.. so I guess that says soo very much about me.
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Sun, Jul 14th, 2013, 05:40 PM #17
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These people took on McDonalds(UK) acting as their own lawyers..
It can be done to successfully defend yourself against a large company and win.
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Sun, Jul 14th, 2013, 05:55 PM #18
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I read the articles in Toronto Star too about Marineland .
If its true , its disgusting & horrible.
Have never been there & don't plan to go there , if all these stories are true
Some of the Toronto Star stories regarding Marineland below ..again I have never been there , so don't know if they are true or not.
http://www.thestar.com/news/investig...arineland.html
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Mon, Jul 15th, 2013, 10:05 AM #19
Whether the allegations at Marineland are true or not, there are a few issues with the OSPCA investigation. One is that Marineland had plenty of (public) warning of the OSPCA visit, which would have given them enough time to deal with certain accusations such as dirty water and improper filtration systems etc.. The second is that the OSPCA is a legislatively toothless organization. One of the major allegations in the Star and by former employees is the way that they treat the animals. Under the legislation, if an animal is under the care of a vet, it is exempt from OSPCA investigation. So all Marineland or a zoo or anyone else need is a vet to say it is under their care. If the allegations are true, this is likely why their report did not include an investigation of these allegations.
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Mon, Jul 15th, 2013, 10:13 AM #20
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Some of the Toronto Star photos are disturbing .
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2...d_animals.html
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Mon, Jul 15th, 2013, 07:26 PM #21
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I realize everyone is going have their own opinion based on what facts they know. This country though gives us the right to stand on public property and protest a business if we so choose, and person shouldn't have to give up that right to peaceful assembly and freedom of speech. Women and minorities have freedoms today because people protested and stood their ground. Laws are only changed when people make the effort to change them.
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Mon, Jul 15th, 2013, 08:33 PM #22
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I know a person who use to live near Marineland. He told me some horror stories about that place....worst being that when the deer got sick that they would "set them free" at night instead of having them checked by a vet.
I will never bring my children there.Love like crazy everyday and smile.
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Mon, Jul 15th, 2013, 08:50 PM #23
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Short answer : no Long answer : NOOOOOOOOOOO!
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Mon, Jul 15th, 2013, 10:53 PM #24
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Mon, Jul 15th, 2013, 10:57 PM #25
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Tue, Jul 16th, 2013, 10:28 AM #26
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Tue, Jul 16th, 2013, 04:34 PM #27
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Tue, Jul 23rd, 2013, 03:50 PM #28
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First off I will say that I support banning keeping orcas in captivity. Very high profile documentary called Blackfish (native american for orca) is coming out and seaworld in US is threatening all kind of action. I will make sure that I see it. My understanding is that some marine animals are well suited e.g. sea lions basically being like marine dogs and doing ok, while orcas are on the other end of the spectrum suffering psychological and physical trauma because they are creatures that live in pods with complex social behaviors, and travel hundreds of thousands kilometers in their natural habitat vs conditions they are held in.
I think just the fact that a place like Marineland does not employ full time veterinarians means that they don't want to invest in their animals' well being properly and saving money is more of a priority. Why not just hire a full time vet, so you have one available and don't have to think gee is this injury worth me calling a vet in and they're gonna charge me etc. Not having a vet on staff at a place like that says it all.
I was at Marineland once and the one thing I remember is they had so many belugas and they all looked the same to me but the trainers and keepers could tell which is which and called them by name if there is just a little tail or fin or nose sticking out of water. I hope the owner is not too cheap to keep and pay his amazing and dedicated staff.
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Tue, Jul 23rd, 2013, 04:01 PM #29
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Tue, Jul 23rd, 2013, 04:54 PM #30
You know, I always wanted to go to marineland, but after hearing so many horror stories, I will never go. I hate even going to zoos because you can tell that the animals are agitated and aren't meant to be caged up.
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