I believe Patty stated in her post, " I don't want to discuss it". Period. Stating an opinion doesn't mean being open to a discussion. I'm anti-gun and I'm not open to discussing it, either. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveP
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I believe Patty stated in her post, " I don't want to discuss it". Period. Stating an opinion doesn't mean being open to a discussion. I'm anti-gun and I'm not open to discussing it, either. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveP
Yet you're both discussing it. :)
School Shootings in America Since Sandy Hook
# Date City, State School Name Type Discharged Firearm Injured 1+ Person Killed 1+ Person Attempted Suicide Committed Suicide 1. 1/08/2013 Fort Myers, FL Apostolic Revival Center Christian School K-12 X X X 2. 1/10/2013 Taft, CA Taft Union High School K-12 X X 3. 1/15/2013 St. Louis, MO Stevens Institute of Business & Arts College X X X 4. 1/15/2013 Hazard, KY Hazard Community and Technical College College X X X 5. 1/16/2013 Chicago, IL Chicago State University College X X X 6. 1/22/2013 Houston, TX Lone Star College North Harris Campus College X X 7. 1/31/2013 Atlanta, GA Price Middle School K-12 X X 8. 2/1/2013 Atlanta, GA Morehouse College College X X 9. 2/7/2013 Fort Pierce, FL Indian River St. College College X X 10. 2/13/2013 San Leandro, CA Hillside Elementary School K-12 X X X 11. 2/27/2013 Atlanta, GA Henry W. Grady HS K-12 X X 12. 3/18/2013 Orlando, FL University of Central Florida College X X X 13. 3/21/2013 Southgate, MI Davidson Middle School K-12 X X X 14. 4/12/2013 Christiansburg, VA New River Community College College X X 15. 4/13/2013 Elizabeth City, NC Elizabeth City State University College X X 16. 4/15/2013 Grambling, LA Grambling State University College X X 17. 4/29/2013 Cincinnati, OH La Salle High School K-12 X X X 18. 6/7/2013 Santa Monica,CA Santa Monica College College X X X 19. 6/19/2013 W. Palm Beach, FL Alexander W. Dreyfoos School of the Arts K-12 X X X 20. 8/15/2013 Clarksville, TN Northwest High School K-12 X X X 21. 8/20/2013 Decatur, GA Ronald E. McNair Discovery Learning Academy K-12 X 22. 8/22/2013 Memphis, TN Westside Elementary School K-12 X 23. 8/23/2013 Sardis, MS North Panola High School K-12 X X X 24. 8/30/2013 Winston-Salem, NC Carver High School K-12 X X 25. 9/21/2013 Savannah, GA Savannah State University College X X X 26. 9/28/2013 Gray, ME New Gloucester High School K-12 X X X 27. 10/4/2013 Pine Hills, FL Agape Christian Academy K-12 X X 28. 10/15/2013 Austin, TX Lanier High School K-12 X X X 29. 10/21/2013 Sparks, NV Sparks Middle School K-12 X X X X X 30. 11/1/2013 Algona, IA Algona High/Middle School K-12 X X X 31. 11/2/2013 Greensboro, NC North Carolina A&T State University College X X 32. 11/3/2013 Stone Mountain, GA Stephenson High School K-12 X X 33. 11/21/2013 Rapid City, SD South Dakota School of Mines & Technology College X X X 34. 12/4/2013 Winter Garden, FL West Orange High School K-12 X X 35. 12/13/2013 Arapahoe County, CO Arapahoe High School K-12 X X X X X 36. 12/19/2013 Fresno, CA Edison High School K-12 X X 37. 1/9/2014 Jackson, TN Liberty Technology Magnet HS K-12 X X 38. 1/14/2014 Roswell, NM Berrendo Middle School K-12 X X 39. 1/15/2014 Lancaster, PA Martin Luther King Jr. ES K-12 X 40. 1/17/2014 Philadelphia, PA Delaware Valley Charter HS K-12 X X 41. 1/20/2014 Chester, PA Widener University College X X 42. 1/21/2014 West Lafayette, IN Purdue University College X X X 43. 1/24/2014 Orangeburg, SC South Carolina State University College X X X 44. 1/28/2014 Nashville, TN Tennessee State University College X X 45. 1/28/2014 Grambling, LA Grambling State University College X X 46. 1/31/2014 Phoenix, AZ Cesar Chavez High School K-12 X 47. 1/31/2014 Des Moines, IA North High School K-12 X X 48. 2/7/2014 Bend, OR Bend High School K-12 X X X 49. 2/10/2014 Salisbury, NC Salisbury High School K-12 X X 50. 2/11/2014 Lyndhurst, OH Brush High School K-12 X 51. 2/12/2014 Jackson, TN Union University College X X 52. 2/20/2014 Raytown, MO Raytown Success Academy K-12 X X X 53. 3/2/2014 Westminster, MD McDaniel College College X 54. 3/7/2014 Tallulah, LA Madison High School K-12 X X 55. 3/8/2014 Oshkosh, WI University of Wisconsin – Oshkosh College X 56. 3/21/2014 Newark, DE University of Delaware College X 57. 3/30/2014 Savannah, GA Savannah State University College X 58. 4/3/2014 Kent, OH Kent State University College X 59. 4/11/2014 Detroit, MI East English Village Preparatory Academy K-12 X X X 60. 4/16/2014 Tuscaloosa, AL Stillman College College X X 61. 4/21/2014 Griffith, IN St. Mary Catholic School K-12 X X X 62. 4/21/2014 Provo, UT Provo High School K-12 X X 63. 4/16/2014 Council Bluffs, IA Iowa Western Community College College X X 64. 5/2/2014 Milwaukee, WI Marquette University College X X 65. 5/3/2014 Everett, WA Horizon Elementary School K-12 X X 66. 5/4/2014 Augusta, GA Paine College College X X 67. 5/5/2014 Augusta, GA Paine College College X X 68. 5/8/2014 Georgetown, KY Georgetown College College X X 69. 5/8/2014 Lawrenceville, GA Georgia Gwinnett College College X X X 70. 5/21/2014 Milwaukee, WI Clark Street School K-12 X X X 71. 6/5/2014 Seattle, WA Seattle Pacific University College X X X 72. 6/10/2014 Troutdale, OR Reynolds High School K-12 X X X X X 73. 6/23/2014 Benton, MO Kelly High School K-12 X X X 74. 6/27/2014 Miami, FL University of Miami College X 75. 8/13/2014 Fredrick, MD Heather Ridge High School K-12 X 76. 8/14/2014 Newport News, VA Saunders Elementary K-12 X X X 77. 9/2/2014 Pocatello, ID Idaho State University College X X 78. 9/5/2014 Savannah, GA Savannah State University College X X 79. 9/10/2014 Lake Mary, FL Greenwood Lakes Middle School K-12 X X X 80. 9/11/2014 Taylorsville, UT Westbrook Elementary School K-12 X X 81. 9/24/2014 San Antonio, TX Joel C. Harris Academy K-12 X 82. 9/27/2014 Nashville, TN Tennessee State University College X X 83. 9/29/2014 Terre Haute, IN Indiana State University College X X 84. 9/30/2014 Albermarle, NC Albermarle High School K-12 X X 85. 9/30/2014 Louisville, KY Fern Creek High School K-12 X X 86. 10/3/2014 Fairburn, GA Langston Hughes High School K-12 X X X 87. 10/8/2014 Elizabeth City, NC Elizabeth City State University College X 88. 10/13/2014 Nashville, TN Tennessee State University College X 89. 10/18/2014 Langston, OK Langston University College X X 90. 10/21/2014 Memphis, TN A. Maceo Walker Middle School K-12 X X 91. 10/24/2014 Marysville, WA Marysville-Pilchuck High School K-12 X X X X X 92. 11/3/2014 Dover, DE Delaware State University College X X 93. 11/20/2014 Tallahassee, FL Florida State University College X X 94. 11/23/2014 Annapolis, MD St. John’s College College X X 95. 12/5/2014 Claremore, OK Rogers State University College X X X 96. 12/16/2014 Pittsburgh, PA Sunnyside Elementary School K-12 X X X 97. 12/17/2014 Waterville, ME Benton Elementary School K-12 X X X 98. 1/15/2015 Milwaukee, WI Wisconsin Lutheran High School K-12 X X 99. 1/16/2015 Ocala, FL Vanguard High School K-12 X X 100. 1/20/2015 Mobile, AL Williamson High School K-12 X X 101. 1/23/2015 Hardeeville, SC Royal Live Oaks Academy K-12 X 102. 1/26/2015 Roseville, MN Hand in Hand Christian Montessori School K-12 X X X 103. 2/2/2015 Mankato, MN Minnesota State University College X X X 104. 2/4/2015 Frederick, MD Frederick High School K-12 X X 105. 2/5/2015 Columbia, SC University of South Carolina College X X X X X 106. 2/15/2015 Athens, GA University of Georgia College X 107. 2/15/2015 Little Rock, AR Lawson Elementary School K-12 X X 108. 2/15/2015 Merced, CA Tenaya Middle School K-12 X X X 109. 2/23/2015 Daytona Beach, FL Bethune-Cookman University College X X 110. 3/9/2015 Coon Rapids, MN Northwest Passage Alternative High School K-12 X X X 111. 3/30/2015 Springfield, MA American International College College X 112. 4/2/2015 Beaver Falls, PA Community College of Beaver County College X X 113. 4/2/2015 Jackson, TN Lane College College X X 114. 4/4/2015 Everett, WA Everett Community College College X 115. 4/13/2015 Goldsboro, NC Wayne Community College College X X X 116. 4/17/2015 Seguin, TX Seguin High School K-12 X X X 117. 4/19/2015 Charlotte, NC Johnson C. Smith University College X X 118. 4/22/2015 Las Vegas, NV Ruthe Deskin Elementary School K-12 X 119. 4/27/2015 Lacey, WA North Thurston High School K-12 X 120. 5/4/2015 Cleveland, OH Willow Elementary School K-12 X X X 121. 5/5/2015 Conyers, GA Conyers Middle School K-12 X 122. 5/12/2015 Tempe, AZ Corona del Sol High School K-12 X X X 123. 5/20/2015 Robinson, TX Robinson High School K-12 X X X 124. 5/24/2015 Flint, MI Flint Southwestern Classical Academy K-12 X X 125. 5/27/2015 Everglades City, FL Everglades City School K-12 X X 126. 6/4/2015 Franklin, NC South Macon Elementary School K-12 X 127. 6/23/2015 Fort Calhoun, NE Fort Calhoun Elementary School K-12 X 128. 7/5/2015 Dallas, TX Coppell Middle School East K-12 X X 129. 7/24/2015 Converse, TX Elolf Elementary School K-12 X X X 130. 7/27/2015 Gainesville, FL University of Florida – Gainesville College X 131. 8/8/2015 Wichita, KS Wichita State University College X X X 132. 8/8/2015 Paradise, TX Paradise High School K-12 X 133. 8/23/2015 Richmond, TX William Velasquez Elementary K-12 X 134. 8/25/2015 Augusta, GA Hornsby Elementary School K-12 X X 135. 8/27/2015 Savannah, GA Savannah State University College X X X 136. 9/3/2015 Sacramento, CA Sacramento City College College X X X 137. 9/11/2015 Lafayette, LA Northside High School K-12 X X 138. 9/14/2015 Cleveland, MS Delta State University College X X X 139. 9/22/2015 Statesville, NC Central Elementary School K-12 X X 140. 9/28/2015 Butte, MT Montana Tech of the University of Montana College X 141. 9/30/2015 Harrisburg, SD Harrisburg High School K-12 X X 142. 10/1/2015 Roseburg, OR Umpqua Community College College X X X
What I mean I is don't want to discuss my opinion or have someone try to engage me in a circular argument. By all means we can discuss the shooting I just don't want someone ragging on me because I am anti gun, we have done this to death.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveP
2015: 274 days and 295 mass shootings
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Today a shooter opened fire at a community college in Oregon. Early media reports indicate numerous fatalities and a number of additional people wounded. That brings the total of mass shootings this year -- incidents where 4 or more people are killed or injured by gunfire -- to 294.
There have been only 274 days this year. The shootings are captured in this calendar, drawn from the the Mass Shooting Tracker. The tracker draws some criticism because its definition is broader than the FBI's definition, which requires three or more people to be killed by gunfire. But the broader definition is nonetheless a useful one, because it captures many high-profile instances of violence — like the Lafayette theater shootings — that don't meet the FBI's criteria.
:eek: Patty, that list!!!!! I honestly had no idea!!!
Home of the brave, eh? They HAVE to be brave to live with that!!
Okay, but you're doing more than discussing this shooting, you're discussing all shootings and blaming them on the 2nd amendment, the NRA and politicians and the existence of guns. The blame for the shooting lies with Chris Harper Mercer, not with the 2nd amendment, not with the NRA and not with the politicians.Quote:
Originally Posted by Patty Smyth
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Some of those school shootings actually arent school shootings.....Lisitng crimes ina school parking lot that happened after school let out as a school shooting while technically accurate is not reallty helpful
Does that include all the ILLEGAL guns that laws and bans wont stop people from getting? Because Chicago has the strictest anti gun laws in America......lots of gun deaths every week there....Quote:
Originally Posted by Patty Smyth
Yes, Chicago is a great example. Very hard for a law abiding citizen to get a gun there so only the criminals have guns. And the astronomical crime rate shows it.Quote:
Originally Posted by gryphon
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Hundreds of people at the candlelight vigil at Stewart Park in Roseburg, Ore.
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Update from Sheriff John Hanlin - 7:15 PM - Again, our focus tonight is on the victims and their families. We have paired up deputies and victim specialists with each family as we work through the process of identifying all of the victims.
As we talked about previously - this is considered a mass casualty incident and those protocols mean that we likely will not release any names before tomorrow at the very earliest.
We have information that leads us to believe we know who the shooter is. The official ID will come from the medical examiner's office.
Let me be very clear: I will not name the shooter. I will not give him credit for this horrific act of cowardice. Media will get the name confirmed in time... but you will never hear us use it.
We would encourage media and the community to avoid using it, repeating it, or engaging in any glorification and sensationalization of him. He in no way deserves it. Focus your attention on the victims and their families and helping them to recover.
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Originally Posted by Natalka
I always try to avoid naming these people.
To name them is to immortalize them at the expense of the lives lost....Let the dead be remembered and the killer lost to timeQuote:
Originally Posted by Darth Penguin