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    http://news.nationalpost.com/full-co...ic-money-again

    "The Liberals are clearly aware of their grim electoral prospects and are trying to make nice again with infuriated voters in time for the 2018 election."
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    I'll take back my own money, which they ripped off by hiking hydro to punitive levels, but I won't thank them or reward them for doing it. Way too little, way too late.
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    It just boggles my mind how an essential service can be so messed up and expensive in Ontario. It's not like we have any choice - we need hydro.

    I am tempted to try solar but it is so expensive....and how do you know you won't get scammed by some company selling it?
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    http://www.thespec.com/news-story/71...-the-hot-seat/

    "OK," Anita said. But she wasn't done."What about those peak periods?" she said, saying time-of-use pricing wasn't helping people to lower their bills. "That's really a farce...People have done all they can, like washing at night and cleaning, whatever, turning down thermostats."
    While time-of-use wasn't addressed in Thursday's announcement, Energy Minister Glenn Thibeault has said he is looking at changes to it as part of the province's new Long-Term Energy Plan, that he'll introduce this spring. He has said it doesn't make sense that a retired couple in Sudbury is on the same plan as a worker living in a Toronto condominium.
    I'd like the tiered system back please. First 750kwh is lowest rate, then it goes up at the next --- kwh. TOU is messing up everyone's day and with a shift worker changing shifts every two weeks, timing laundry can be a bother.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ciel View Post
    http://www.thespec.com/news-story/71...-the-hot-seat/



    I'd like the tiered system back please. First 750kwh is lowest rate, then it goes up at the next --- kwh. TOU is messing up everyone's day and with a shift worker changing shifts every two weeks, timing laundry can be a bother.
    @Ciel , thanks for the quote from the Wynne government spokesperson. I am no expert, but they don't seem to know what they are doing! They were caught messing up people's lives with the money they took for hydro and only when the TV stations showed people having lots of trouble paying and having hydro cut in the winter, only then did they realize that their election was in jeopardy, then, and only then, did they take some action.

    I started thread about hydro. But there is also
    ORNG air ambulance system costs piling up
    cancelling the gas plants and paying huge for the cancellations
    an electronic health records system that is so costly and such a failure
    Dalton. McGuinty. arrgh!
    carbon tax in our gas bills
    carbon tax in at the gas station
    paying off teachers contracts, when there is no money
    paying off school worker contracts, when there is no money
    giving doctors zero increase. zero. over years
    quietly cutting health care workers at hospitals. very quietly. so there is not enough people working to take care of sick people. to the point that it's dangerous. to the point that the workers are getting burned out
    Tim Hudak campaigned saying that 100,000 health care jobs would be eliminated due to retirements and reducing duplication. Wynne's government probably EXCEEDED the 100,000 mark
    shredding record that are evidence, in the gas plant cancellations, and involving RCMP officers in the midst of this
    Premier Wynne giving contract to specific people, including her partner
    Premier Wynne taking her partner on sensitive business trips, and her partner sitting in on meetings that her staff should be attending.
    business trips: flying around the world, not being creative in saving on flying costs, not even Skyping, taking a LOT of people on these business trips: LOTS OF CARBON FOOTPRINT HERE
    the Deputy Education Minister charged with child abuse and child pornography crimes. He was part of the group writing the new sexual education curriculum
    installing wind turbines in areas of the province where people living there said NO, but it did not help
    then selling power to the US for a very reduced cost, since we made too much
    but we are not benefiting from cheap power

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    right now, even a political party that is not well known, could not do any worse that what they have done in the last 8 years with McGinty and Wynne

    arrrgh!!!!!!
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    Though I'm not in ON, I always follow what's going on in other provinces - especially with the hellish current situation in ON with the government.

    Simple question - why in the world did Ontarians vote the Liberals/Wynne in? Will they do so again, even with all this?

    SK is in a precarious financial situation now - however, it's not because of the party in power. It's because of low revenue from oil, gas, potash, etc. - nothing under the control of Premier Wall, not because of things politically instituted - just the market. We have a budget coming up, there will be cuts, but he's still got majority support.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Natalka View Post
    Though I'm not in ON, I always follow what's going on in other provinces - especially with the hellish current situation in ON with the government.

    Simple question - why in the world did Ontarians vote the Liberals/Wynne in? Will they do so again, even with all this?

    SK is in a precarious financial situation now - however, it's not because of the party in power. It's because of low revenue from oil, gas, potash, etc. - nothing under the control of Premier Wall, not because of things politically instituted - just the market. We have a budget coming up, there will be cuts, but he's still got majority support.
    I remember when SK about two or three years ago has its own booth at the International Job Fair in Toronto. But potash industry has fallen $ wise in past 1.5yr-it was SK's golden goose for years, like oilsands were for AB. Also there was talk of two of the major potash producers merging into one entity.

    Tourism in SK needs to market the "standard time never changes in SK" as a slogan to visitors. Is solar energy big in southern SK? That would help with hydro.
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    @ShwaGirl -yes, that selling off of excess power to US, basically subsidized by Ontario ratepayers, is one of the worst money decisions ever made in Ontario. Not to mention ON paying Samsung mega dollars for the cancellation of the solar projects.
    Those Niagara casino renovations that seem tendered only focus on increasing revenue (wonder why!) have Niagara Falls' mayor insisting that any casino's renovations have to add 4 benefits to his community. Tenders need to be redone to not focus solely on more revenue but also help with jobs, economic development, etc. as had original tenders when casinos were on the drawing boards.
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    To those who get the low income credit - check your hydro bills.

    I was wondering why my 8% credit was so low. Apparently my provider - Burlington Hydro is taxing me for the full amount, applying the ontario electricity credit and than issuing the 8% credit on the new subtotal - not what I originally was taxed at.

    I will be calling tomorrow to complain.......grrrrr.
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    I am correcting my post. I was advised that we should be getting the full 8% back regardless of whether or not we are receiving any other credits. My MPP is looking into this further.

    Please check your hydro bills if you are in Ontario to make sure you are getting your 8% back.
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    https://www.thestar.com/news/queensp...r-general.html

    "Ontarians paid $37 billion extra for electricity from 2006-14 according to the auditor general."

    "Ontario’s electricity consumers are being zapped for tens of billions of dollars due to overpriced green energy, poor government planning, and shoddy service from Hydro One, says auditor general Bonnie Lysyk."
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    Ciel. My husband made a comment about which I've been thinking for hours. He said that Ontario hydro is reversing the industrial revolution. He meant that the IR was a turning point when people gradually moved from burning candles and being in the dark after the sun had gone down to having light and being productive, alive despite darkness. We turn everything off these days. At night, we close down the lower floor of our house. We live in darkness. This is what Ontario gov. has done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wendymac View Post
    Ciel. My husband made a comment about which I've been thinking for hours. He said that Ontario hydro is reversing the industrial revolution. He meant that the IR was a turning point when people gradually moved from burning candles and being in the dark after the sun had gone down to having light and being productive, alive despite darkness. We turn everything off these days. At night, we close down the lower floor of our house. We live in darkness. This is what Ontario gov. has done.
    so true what your husband said. Even with time of use - most of us live in darkness now.
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