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Sat, Aug 31st, 2013, 08:34 PM #1156
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On my way back from our Eco Adventure - it was so much fun! I'm so glad that I decided to do it & did not chicken out or pee my pants! Tree trekking was great & the ziplines were amazing! So much so that I decided to opt in for the twin zipline - half a mile long & the longest in Canada!
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Sat, Aug 31st, 2013, 09:23 PM #1157
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Geez, where do I begin.
For those of you that do not know me, I am pretty new here. This is my 3rd package train, the 1st one was the Pampered ladies train. This train, I decided to open up a little bit more and come out of my shell and try to get to know some of you. Only because I felt COMFORTABLE to do so. Now after reading some of the things posted here, I think that was a mistake. An error in judgment on my part. So sorry for sharing anything about myself now.
You speak about VERIFYING my story. Seriously? Wow!! I can give you my cousins name and which hospital she is in if you like. You are free to call and see if she's really in ICU. BUT - how will you verify she is my cousin right? Oh, then you will need to speak to my mom right? And my aunt to verify the relationship? Correct?
I SHARED what was happening because I felt I needed to, it was so shocking and I felt that my cousin was at death's door. I did not know what was happening or anything. I thought I could share my feelings here and I wanted to let you all know why I was unable to mail. My cousin and I grew up like sisters and I felt helpless. But, I logged on here and told you all what was going on. Didn't know how to help my aunt or my cousin's son, my mom, my grandmother - anyone.
It is posted here that many are facing problems in their life as well. I don't doubt that. I know Bluz's puppy Willow had surgery and passed away.
I don't even KNOW how you pick yourself up after something so devastating. But she did and mailed the next day (by courier!). So, lets see, how many others on this train have a family member on LIFE SUPPORT.
Again, I did not plan for this to happen, especially on mail day. But, sometimes life takes over and gets all of your attention. I mean, did you really expect me to ignore the call about my cousin and say - Oh, I can't race to the hospital at 1 in the morning to be there to comfort my aunt and nephew, be there with my family members to see what the prognosis would be because I have a package to mail out?
I followed the rules, posted in the thread, purchased items from my buddy's list and mailed 10 hours after the deadline. Big whoop. Riders who mailed on mail day in the evening would not have had their package moved until the next day anyway. I had given the conductor my cell# in case she wanted to reach me as I don't have data on my phone. I sent her a text right away when I mailed my package with the tracking#.
As for Coyote and Pumpkin, I do not know these 2 awesome ladies personally. I have been on a few trains with them before - that's all. Thank you ladies for sticking up for me, I really appreciate it - especially from 2 seasoned SC'ers like you.
Like I said, I am disappointed by the neutrals. I was just getting used to riding these cool package trains now when shopping, I think about a future buddy. I will miss the chatter, banter, sharing of our days in the thread, advice, questions, jokes etc.
Thank you all for allowing me to chatter a bit and come out of my shy shell. Time to go back in sadly.
In case any of you are wondering, my cousin is still in ICU - with minimal change.
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Sat, Aug 31st, 2013, 10:40 PM #1158
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Kinda confused as to why people are p!ssed at Fallen...she didn't leave neutrals. Cherie did as the conductor of the train, because the rules clearly stated neutrals would be left etc etc. Same as last train. If people want to be mad at someone over a neutral, be mad at me. Cherie asked what I would do...I said I'd leave a neutral, just like Slam and I did on the last train. If we didn't, that would be seen as favouritism, right?
Anyone that knows me at all personally, knows that I have had some MAJOR devastation in my life in the last year. So please don't even bother sending any messages or posting any crap about me not knowing what sadness or loss is like just because I haven't happened to share it on SC. I wouldn't wish this sort of loss on anyone at any time. It's horrible and not fair.
I am not comparing anyone on this train to Cheribomb because that's not true at all. However, like I previously said, I was incredibly unimpressed that Jez approved Cheribomb to ride the last train, knowing the issues that had occurred on the Pampered Ladies train, and about her having trading issues etc. What happened? She was approved by a mod to ride a train, and Slam, Julesie and I ended up sending a package to an amazing SC'r that deserved to receive a package as amazing as she sends every time. Not having access to mod rooms or whatever they're called, means I don't know, as a regular SC/conductor etc that there have been issues with Cheribomb on the last train. So, I would have appreciated a chance to say "hey, what's up with this rider?" Was favouritism not exercised by approving her to ride?
Really, so much of this is subjective. I have received neutral ratings because people that rode my traditional trains last didn't like the coupons in it. Sorry that the previous riders wiped it of the coupons you may or may not have liked. I could have disputed the neutral, but really, who cares. It's NEUTRAL. Neither good or bad. In the thread a few months ago, when Jez asked what changes we wanted to see to these trains, wasn't it said that the rules in place should be enforced on all of us? Pretty sure Peachy said something to that effect. Jez said she'd put herself on the list to sit out a train, and I know her roomie has been put on it in the past too. Really, with so much other stuff going on in life and 'the real world', who the hell cares about a neutral rating that says 'mailed late'...especially when it's followed by a rating saying that they sent a great package.
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Sun, Sep 1st, 2013, 01:14 PM #1159
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The neutrals are a big deal(to me, anyway).
I think there is a huge difference between mailing late because of a death/critical illness of a loved one and "I didn't want to walk in the rain"(as an example). That is why I believe there should be some *wiggle* room(if you will) to leave the ratings.
I don't think it is favouritism. I think its called doing what is right. (and I know not everyone will agree with me).
I'm not writing this to force everyone to agree with Pumpkin's Opinion. I'm writing this to help explain why I think its a big deal.
I might be repeating some of my points. My apologies. Continuing on....
I don't know why the others riders on the previous train did not meet the required postings. Maybe some on those neutrals should be challenged too. I don't know all the answers.
Pammie, I know you have had devastation this year. I'm not questioning if you know what sadness is. That would bring this "argument/debate" to a very personal level and I don't believe that to be fair(or right). We are adults and should be able to discuss difference of opinions without it becoming personal attacks.
This will bring me right into my next point: Fallen should not be receiving hate mail.
I disagree with her choice/decisions on the ratings being allowed, but I'm not about to write her hate mail. That's not what I am about. It is not what SC is about either.
Jez shouldn't be receiving hate mail either. C'mon folks, we are better than this!
I do agree that some of the rules needed to be changed. I know a bunch of us felt that way. But, I don't necessarily think we only wanted "black & white". There should always be a shade of gray.
Maybe Jez should be the one to speak about why Cheribomb was allowed to board. This might clear some of the confusion up. (I thought a decision was made between Jez/Fallen because she was being removed from the red/black list.) What it did teach "us" is that it is best that red listed riders not board package trains in the future.
Am I p!ssed at Pixels... nope, well not just her..... I'm p!ssed at this entire situation. (and yes, there is a difference).
And for the record, Cherie & Pammie my personal opinions about you have not changed.
As for my personal opinion about Fallen - I don't have one. I don't know her.
I am simply disagreeing with the package train rules/ratings/direction- whatever you want to call it.
My personal beliefs on this are strong. Strong enough that I no longer wish to participate in the package trains.
And once again... stop with the hate mail. It really is unnecessary.Last edited by pumpkin9211; Sun, Sep 1st, 2013 at 01:23 PM.
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Sun, Sep 1st, 2013, 02:07 PM #1160
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I agree! I didn't realize this discussion has got to that point.....
I have been watching this unfold from the sidelines -I'm not really part of this debate and don't wish to be at the moment, as I don't deal with confrontation well. But here I have to say something.... NO ONE should be getting hate mail over this. We are all adults, and constructive debates of differing opinions can happen successfully if people do not stoop to the immature level of sending hate mail and personal attacks ......really there is no need, and there is no place for it....We are better than this!
Last edited by CouponLadybird; Mon, Sep 2nd, 2013 at 10:46 AM. Reason: please note the new avatar....just a reminder.....apparently many people here need one
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Sun, Sep 1st, 2013, 02:21 PM #1161
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I agree too!
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Mon, Sep 2nd, 2013, 05:29 AM #1162
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untrue I p'med you and texted saying to wait as she was on the red list....yes I approved her AFTER she was removed from the RED LIST...I was not told there had been issues at the time I approved her...
I can not remove nor add names to the BLACK or RED LIST...she was removed because she made good on her trades.....the decision was not mine...
I am tired of being thrown under the bus ....I was not the only Mod who approved Cheribomb!...she was on the effin REDLIST when your train was boarding...yoor job to check it also ...not just mine....I can't remove ppl from that list....it wasn't hidden in the mod room...it was on a thread all conductors are told to check....
yes I sat out trains as did my roomie...but why are neutrals even being given for first offences rather than skipping a train...then maybe for a 2nd offence ????........I have not seen a name added to the skip a train list.....since I have been taking a break....while I was overseeing I placed names on the list.....I wasn't aware Cherie bomb had messed up on a previous train til mail date or a bit earlier cause the conductor didn't tell me....so how was I suppose to know about it????
I only just became aware of this thread so thanks to those who talked about me , leaving me no chance to defend myself or explain.
Nobody should be getting hate mail !!!! I am sick of p'ms getting actual mail slamming me !
I had taken sometime off due to health reasons and the stress of these trains....it has been clearly made to me by several..more than 5 they do not like me and have avoided riding trains while I was overseeing...some reasons being because they may not like some other riders so they judge me based on WHO THEY THINK are my friends here.....except for 1 person I don't socialize with any SC'ers outside of here....yes some via text/FB...but to regularly *talk* or *hang out* no I do not.
I am tired of being thrown under the bus when things go wrong...why is it all my fault ??? Ppl seem to have forgotten I am a person who has feelings also...not just a mod.
I was going to be coming back to oversee pkge trains in October....I will not be coming back...nor hosting , nor riding any pkge trains. So please ppl stop slamming me publically / via my inbox/ via FB p'ms / via text and by regular mail. You have all made your points very clear ...I am leaving , I am done. You have succeeded.
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Mon, Sep 2nd, 2013, 12:43 PM #1163
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I'm sad that you're hurting Jez!!
You did a fan-freakin-tastic job! One that is not easy. I'm sure you will be missed by many.
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Mon, Sep 2nd, 2013, 12:58 PM #1164
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Cheribomb was on the red list because she was given a chance because she had health issues - this grey area you speak of that everyone else tells me they no longer want because it is too subjective and no one knows the truth (this after another trader's mom has died twice as an excuse for not following through). I made the red list because I felt ppl were being taken off the blacklist too quickly and there was no way for people to know they had a history of bad trades, because they sent make up envies and got their negs removed. After 60 days on the redlist I checked her ratings, checked her wall and saw no issues only to find out that she was given positives she did not deserve because she used 'legit' excuses.
If Cheri had been given a neutral or skipped a train, she would never have come off the red list, but I actually do not see how that matters since she was approved to ride the one she didn't follow the rules on while on the red list anyway.
I have said several times I did not tell cherie to leave neutrals so ppl can stop PMing me to tell me I am heartless and useless and show favouritism and they can certainly stop trying to change my email to pixelsisheartless.
As for no one being added to the consequence list, they were and they did not ride last month. I removed them yesterday as the new trains had started and they were no eligible to ride. I did not add the three here bc I did not want this drama spilling over into yet another thread
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Mon, Sep 2nd, 2013, 02:34 PM #1165
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I asked what should be done, Pammie said they left 2 ratings on the train before. So I did take it upon myself to leave to ratings.
I left the positive first cause all 3 ladies were amazing riders. Kept me in the loop, and sent awesome packages.
Then I left the neutral just for mailing late. I thought this was the correct thing to do as I am a big stickler for the rules, and once rules get broken somewhere poeple are always wanting it done for them no matter their reason.
I was having relationship issues and the cancer scare. And I didn't want to bring everything up cause I felt it wasn't as serious as some of the stuff going on. I sat long and hard before leaving those rating, I put myself in the receiving position, and felt everyone would understand especially since there was 2 ratings given. The neutral is neither good or bad, but just a flat rating. And it didn't mess up the trade scores.
It simply means the package was mailed late. I figured this was a win win. I didn't anticipate all this backlash. And its no ones fault but mine. I was the conductor.
I hate not pleasing everyone but I honestly thought it was the right thing to do. Im sorry it doesn't conform with everyone elses thoughts
If I mailed late due to any reason (health, personal, ect) I would expect the same be left for me, and would be happy with the extra positive rating aswell. But maybe this is where I differ from everyone? Im not trying to be difficult or "stick up" for anyone I just want everyone to be mad at the right person, and if that person is me then so be it. I cried myself to sleep 3 times this week because of all this stuff. Its so stressful I honestly dont know how anyone can do it.
Like I said, I thought it was the right thing to do. Im super sorry for all of this.
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Mon, Sep 2nd, 2013, 03:49 PM #1166
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Oh Cherie - Never apologize for doing what is "right" in your heart. That is the exact reason I said something about the ratings being left and my decision to no longer participate. We can't always agree on everything.
Everyone knows where I stand on this - I don't think I need to say anything more.
And, once again... as adults we can disagree in respectful ways -- please do not send hate mail/texts/fb messages/email/etc.
Have fun on your train ladies!
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Mon, Sep 2nd, 2013, 08:38 PM #1167
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I never knew there had been an issue with her on a previous train til it was too late....yes I missed that she was on the red list on a previous train. It is not my sole responsibility to *check each rider* it is also the conductors and they are told where to check. All I can say is sorry....but I am also done so please the haters ...just leave me be ...I am hurt and if you stepped back and thought what if it was you.... maybe you will be able to understand....I never claimed to be anything close to perfect...I just tried and tried to be fair...
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Mon, Sep 2nd, 2013, 08:56 PM #1168
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No, Jezz that is exactly my point - people can't know there were issues unless there is a permanent reminder in the form of a rating. Ratings are visible to everyone, not based on missing one train where their name then disappears off a list or word of mouth through conductors.
The reason I made the red list was that the people who had traded with cheribomb changed theirs to positive after they received makeup envies but there was always a chance things would go sideways again, despite the good reasons she had - because anyone looking at her ratings would think she was a great trader.
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Mon, Sep 2nd, 2013, 10:39 PM #1169
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Tue, Sep 3rd, 2013, 12:47 AM #1170
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So, I'm curious... Could the ratings have been positive with the mailing late info and reason why attached?
Example: **positive rating** Great Package Sent- Post requirement made- Did mail late to due (enter reason here)
That way, if the same people were suffering from the same emergencies/deaths/situation over and over again we would all know/"catch on".
Just thinking out loud.Last edited by pumpkin9211; Tue, Sep 3rd, 2013 at 12:48 AM.
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