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Sat, May 18th, 2013, 02:47 PM #241
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As I mentioned in my post above, one is even worried that members have her address if she posts what she PMed to me, given some of the bullying I know goes on in the forums, I am not one bit surprised given the harshness of some comments why they wont post publicly
I shared the complaint with Jezz, Boo and the other mods for feedback before we posted here, we do not make any other complaints public so why this one? So people can (as you just did) find a reason why her point is not valid because of the person. The person in question is a good trader with not one complaint but has never ridden a train because of the rules. But somehow it has already been decided that she is a bad rider? That is exactly why people are not posting in this thread
I have also received comments, not from people who feel they are outdone, but by people who have received a fairly crappy gift in return after they put thought into theirs, so although no limit trains don't have one, if you can't give what you are receiving, there is that notion of it not being good enough. While it may not be anything in the thread, riders talk and I have been told when doing trade mod stuff 'oh xyz told me she is cheap' when there is a trade issue
I actually had a VWT passenger once ask me to change someone else's feedback because person B said "thanks for the amazing coupons on xyz train" to person C but only "thanks for the coupons" to person A which she felt made her look like a bad trader, so what if the other person was extra generous, it doesn't mean you were a bad rider - but people do think like that and it does impact if people will trade with you etc
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Sat, May 18th, 2013, 02:49 PM #242
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Sat, May 18th, 2013, 02:55 PM #243
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Just my humble opinion but, I think we have now moved into territory that there may be no way back. Tempers are heated, feelings are hurt, this does not reflect what package trains are about or what SC promotes.
I know polls have been held before regarding these issues and perhaps it is a better solution. Polls do not leave room for interpretation or misinterpretation. How one person reads a comment can be vastly different than another.
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Sat, May 18th, 2013, 02:58 PM #244
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oh well that is their choice and it is silly, obviously they can't take this open discussion! If they will not visit SC because of this thread that was started by MODS and arose this whole thing than so be it, I will not feel as though I should keep quite, you guys posted this for open discussion and that is exactly what is happening - I am merely stating my opinion whether people want to agree with it or not that is their choice. We are all adults and in this person saying they are leaving SC is just childish
I am also pointing out the fact that limit train does not work for ALL!! and with limit trains come excluding those members, myself included from riding them plain and simple - so why should I not fight for that
if this member feels as though this site doesn't work together than why are we suggesting something that excludes the majority of its regulars
it is my choice whether I want to ride a limit train or not but from riding almost every one of them we have NEVER excluded ANYONE - our objective has always been to get new rider's hence all the changes last year that proved over and over they didn't work
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Sat, May 18th, 2013, 02:58 PM #245
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The problem with a poll is last time we ran one certain members made new accounts to vote and push the poll the way they wanted, the only way we can stop that is making it public and people are already worried about the fallback of posting publicly
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Sat, May 18th, 2013, 03:00 PM #246
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I don't consider myself part of a "clique" of pkg train riders, and I do feel comfortable expressing my opinion in this thread that Jez graciously started. If negative experiences have occured "by getting on the wrong side" of supposed "cliques," then shouldn't those "clique" members be banned?
Also as an educator, I really don't like when the term bullied is used in cases like this. I've seen first hand the effects of bullying (depression, addiction, cutting, attempting suicide, and death). I don't think the term bullying defines the differences in opinions on package trains. People on both sides may have strong opinions, and at times may state them harshly. In my opinion, this is still not bullying. I'm tired of this word being used, when other individuals are suffering to survive daily because of true bullying.
I personally dont feel like a clique exists. I've always felt included in ever train I've joined. Some riders know each other better than others, but that's expected. I personally don't get offended by others relationships that they've developed.
I've had great rides on the many pkg trains that I've been on, and things always seem to go very well because of the great effort of the conductors and Jez.
Many regular riders are unaware of complaints being pm'd about pkg trains. And would then find it odd that Boo may want to cancel them again. As admins, could there opinions be voiced by you if they're uncomfortable with posting in this thread? Then there opinions could be weighed equally with the opinions of others.
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Sat, May 18th, 2013, 03:02 PM #247
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Sat, May 18th, 2013, 03:02 PM #248
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Not one person said every train would have a limit, but that a conductor could run a limit train - something several users have mentioned they would like (and postage would likely be cheaper as they would be smaller gifts etc)
I am not asking you to be quiet, just to see how people are not willing to post here when you are so harsh in the way you put your opinion forward - especially while you are the train helper they would have to approach if there was an issue which is intimidating to people not as outspoken as others.
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Sat, May 18th, 2013, 03:04 PM #249
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Without giving the reasons this person can't/won't join which would identify them, no I can't give the reasons
As it happens, Jezz changed the rule for the current train back down to 10 posts (which the person could meet but by then it was too late to join)
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Sat, May 18th, 2013, 03:09 PM #250
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This is what I was talking about - you say you know a few of them when none of them want to post, but you have decided they are bad riders (or that is what it seems like from your post)
I completely agree that someone not sending a package should be banned (and I have even trade banned people who did not despite it not being a rule) but as far as I know, the people who did both of these are banned from riding package trains and are not the people complaining
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Sat, May 18th, 2013, 03:11 PM #251
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Sat, May 18th, 2013, 03:15 PM #252
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The one I know of is no longer on the forum, bullying is very rarely public and as I am sure you are aware, we rarely know about it until it is too late to fix an issue (not that I think anyone is committing suicide because of SC but that is not to say that lesser bullying should be let go because it is not as extreme)
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Sat, May 18th, 2013, 03:24 PM #253
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If this is directed to me I will not be quiet and if that results in a ban from this site so be it. You guys opened this discussion and if you feel as though I am being harsh that is your interpretation of what I am saying. I think what you/BHL/sheets have said have been harsh to me and you all are ganging up on me because I am speaking up. Is this not what you guys wanted??? I am not running to the corner with what is said here.
All I am trying to do is understand how these members feel as though why a limit train would be any different than a no limit train, postage is determined by what you send not by how many riders there are or how much money that person spent. I have personally sent a package that had several gifts in it and the postage was $14 and that went several provinces over
What I am more interested in is when these limit trains are going to be imposed and what is the actions when these limit trains do not get the required rider's - it will be interesting to see what the actions will be when once again this doesn't work
I will not respond again in this thread, not because you or anyone else is attacking me which is my interpretation of what you wrote, but because this is ridiculous and childish - you asked for a open discussion and knew full well this would happen so you can't be upset that some of us will defend to the end what we believe and what we love on SC
I am sadden that this has to come to this and especially sadden that all the wonderful people I have made friends with and learned a little bit more about threw these packages will come to a end [
QUOTE=FallenPixels;5447505]Not one person said every train would have a limit, but that a conductor could run a limit train - something several users have mentioned they would like (and postage would likely be cheaper as they would be smaller gifts etc)
I am not asking you to be quiet, just to see how people are not willing to post here when you are so harsh in the way you put your opinion forward - especially while you are the train helper they would have to approach if there was an issue which is intimidating to people not as outspoken as others.[/QUOTE]
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Sat, May 18th, 2013, 03:25 PM #254
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Perhaps the question we need to ask now is what needs to been done to make things right for the people involved who have been hurt? I feel fairly non-partisan and have watched this friendly thread change tones. Is there enough info to revise the rules and see how it goes? Fromm viewpoint the rule changes seemed to make it so there was something for everyone's preference and always the option to decline. There will always be problems here and there but ppl willing to help. For e.g. I told Holly if a package was not sent for the Xmas exchange she could call on me.
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Sat, May 18th, 2013, 03:29 PM #255
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Hello! My name is Natalie and I am addicted to package trains! ((I'm so sorry I couldn't join Chesterjes' Pampered fella's train--but I couldn't create a list with more than 4 or 5 items for my man without adding things like bubble bath or mascara.... DH would NOT have been impressed with that sort of package ))
Anyway, I love the fact that Jez took the initiative to start this thread... HOWEVER, I think it's getting a little out of hand. There's a kazillion SC'ers on this site and we're never, ever, ever going to agree on the perfect way to conduct a package train.
I think the best way to accommodate everyone is to just have a variety of package trains. Let's say Peachy likes larger, no-limit-type trains... then she would host one like that. Then another month, a different conductor would host a 12-person, $15-limit train.... or even during the same month.
If you haven't seen the type of train you would like to join posted, then volunteer to conduct one---it's not so bad, really, I only broke down and cried twice during the last one.
I actually think it would be great to join a variety of different package trains and have different challenges to come up with the perfect package for my buddy each time---it makes it more interesting.
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