Abortion.. is it murder or not?

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Originally Posted by StarDancer

i told her to get the F*ck out of my room!

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Don't blame you at all!
I don't get why these doctors try to bully us into abortions.
I couldn't have lived with myself if I didn't try my best to bring my baby into this world.

[quote=StarDancer;15135] This is kind of a touchy subject??? I think that the only time a woman should get an abortion is when she was raped! [quote]

"Proving" that one has been raped... difficult process. Only 10% of rape cases go to trial, and only 4% have the result of guilty. Trials are an incredibly difficult thing to go through---if it comes up as aquittal...does that mean you can no longer get an abortion. Also, trails take a long time to go to court.

Also, what "constitutes" rape. What if drugs/alcohol are involved... What if the woman is in an abusive situation, and the only "sex" she knows "is rape". Would this include statuatory rape?

Suppose this is getting into another issue....

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Originally Posted by Julie

Ok... I'll say more about this topic.

When I was 6 weeks pregnant with Baby J. I had major complications with the pregnancy and the short of the story was that the doc at the hospital (where I was admitted) wanted to abort him. The doc wanted me to do a surgery which would have resulted in me loosing Baby J. He told me to 'cut my losses and try again'.

That doc would not even discharge me... so after a week I left the hospital against medical advice and went to a specialist who knew what he was doing. I went on complete bed-rest and did surgery when I was 5 months pregnant, but I have a happy and healthy baby boy now.

Personally, I believe it completely depends on the situation. If in the case where the pregnancy causes a life or death situation with the mother it should be up to the mother to decide. (She should not to be forced by any doctor to have an abortion.)

If in the case of rape or incest- it should also be up to the mother to decide.

I have issues when people choose to abort girls (or boys) solely because of their gender. And I am also against abortion in cases where the child has a disability.

I also don't think that abortion should be the first line of birth control. There are so many birth control products out there that you can use condoms, oral contraceptive pills, the nuva ring, the ortho evra patch... you can even go on depo provera or have an IUD. Mind you that being said- any one of these contraceptive methods could fail- but if they were used at least the effort was made to prevent an unplanned pregnancy.

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Kinda in awe that the dr would basically tell you to just cut your losses!! I'll say I wouldn't abort, although in the case of being a pregnant rape victim I think things are a bit different. I'm not sure many people would want their child to bring about terrible memories..

abortion is never acceptable. Even if a baby is the result of a rape. I know someone who was conceived from a rape and they are amazing, and I don't know what I would do without them.

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Originally Posted by jelyanne

abortion is never acceptable. Even if a baby is the result of a rape. I know someone who was conceived from a rape and they are amazing, and I don't know what I would do without them.

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We are not devaluing those who were concieved as a result.

I do agree with jelyana!
lol not a good subject!

Too touchy...

bumping an interesting topic

Using abortion as a form of birth control...NO!!!!!!
Abortion as a life saving technique for the mother...Maybe!!!!!!

Okay first I have to say please don't be mad at me for my opinion, but here it goes...
Probably if I had to vote on this issue, it would be Pro Choice.
Not because I personally would use this option, but there are so many children that live in severely neglectful and abusive homes, that I have to question how important is the quality of their little lives.
Someone had mentioned how many couples there are waiting to adopt children, so abortion should not be an option.
Well as an adoptive Mom who went through the ministry, I know how many kids are in the system and I have to disagree on your perception.
Most parents that want to adopt, want healthy newborns, without any openness (meaning relationship with the birth family)
Most of our Canadian children that have an adoption plan made are Special needs or Special placement, or have access orders in place, so they will probably never find a home to call their own.
FAS (fetal alcohol syndrome is very common with the children in care and is very unpredictable)
So, I guess my question is, should these children been sentenced to a life of neglect, poverty and abuse by their mother who never wanted them in the first place, or loneliness, and a huge sense of loss, living a life in foster care?
Not to mention the kids that are severely handicapped, that the parents didn't want and couldn't abort, or the children that are born with a terminal illness.
Once again what is the importance of quality of life.
Would you want to live your whole life not being able to function independently?
Now going back to foster care, I'm not saying that all foster homes are bad , but these kids that are waiting, desire a family to be a part of, more than anything else in the world.
Seriously, look into your provincial Ministry of Children and Family's or Children's Aid (what ever it is called in your province), and look at the majority of the children that are available for adoption.
Not many of these children are healthy, and if you are lucky enough to adopt a newborn, then this child's birth mother has done something wrong to her body, or she would be going to a private adoption agency.
This is where the waiting lists are...
Now, if there was a law to be able to control what these women are allowed to do to their bodies while pregnant, I would be all for that, but unfortunately there isn't.
Trust me, I am not proud of my choice on this, but what is the worse of the 2 evils :shrug:
BTW
I hope that I haven't offended anyone

I'm not offended Harkatsmom. Personally I don't know how I feel. It is something I have never dealt with. The one issue I do take a strong stand to is using it as a form of birth control because a girl couldn't keep her legs closed,.... and Whoops look what happened.

i have to say it depends on the situation as well. if you are a young woman a victiam to rape than its hard for me to sit by and tell you what you are doing is wrong. if you have a child due to a rape can you love that child unconditionally or are you gonna be resentful,hurt and terrrifed each time you look at that child? i know a woman who got pregant because of rape and kept the baby and never regreted it and all i can think of what a strong person if i were in her shoes i don't think i would be able to do it.

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Originally Posted by koala

I'm not offended Harkatsmom. Personally I don't know how I feel. It is something I have never dealt with. The one issue I do take a strong stand to is using it as a form of birth control because a girl couldn't keep her legs closed,.... and Whoops look what happened.

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Thanks Koala :sweet:
I hear you loud and clear about women using it as a form of birth control.
That truly makes me so sad in my heart.
I also realize that if it wasn't for adoption I would never have this opportunity to be a Mommy to my beautiful little angels.
But, I also know that even though abortion is legal, there are many biological mothers who will make an adoption plan...the stats prove it.
So, I guess I feel if abortion was illlegal, then we would have an even worse problem then we already do.

See, there are two valid points here. Like I said, I have never had to deal with this type of decision.
We have two good perspectives on this topic.

All I can say is that I need a 10-foot pole.