OMG Another school shooting!! :( :( :(

[Patty Smyth]

It's going to be ugly the day a burgler is shot by the home owner. Putting that map on-line was a sick and disturbing thing to do. Ironically, these media types tend to be strongly against maps of where pedophiles live.

Here you can find out who owns a gun. It's already online.

[vesper]

Here you can find out who owns a gun. It's already online.

I read about that. And I read about how angry that newspaper was that someone posted a list of the names, address and phone number of all employees of that paper. Ironically, the editor and other employees armed themselves as a result.

Privacy of private citizens should not be used by political zealots to score points.

[bluerose]

Was just watching a news video on CBC the parents asking for everyone to think long and hard about things. Its hard to see there grief and hopefully people and new laws will make a differance.

[Patty Smyth]

I think that all this fighting over gun control is a real eye opener for people who think they are actually free. You are not living freely when you have gun/drug/farmers/insert lobby group of your choice, running the government and funding congressmen so that they get their agenda implmented.

We are not much better here.

[vesper]

insert lobby group of your choice

So was the tax hike bill. Interesting who got corporate welfare in that bill, not only avoiding a tax hike, but are going to get free money instead.

I've predicted for a number of years that one day, voters will have an epifany, and then things will change in a hurry.

On another note, New York passed tough gun control laws. Thus it should be expected over a reasonable amount of time, gun murder should see sharp drops. Chicago is a whole other animal, toughest laws anywhere, worst murder rate now.

[Patty Smyth]

So was the tax hike bill. Interesting who got corporate welfare in that bill, not only avoiding a tax hike, but are going to get free money instead.

I've predicted for a number of years that one day, voters will have an epifany, and then things will change in a hurry.

On another note, New York passed tough gun control laws. Thus it should be expected over a reasonable amount of time, gun murder should see sharp drops. Chicago is a whole other animal, toughest laws anywhere, worst murder rate now.

One of the problems is that people are committing crimes with guns purchased at gun shows where there are no wait times nor background checks. They are also buying uns in states that have slack or no laws and transporting them in to other states ans committing crimes.

[Patty Smyth]

23 executive orders to be signed today

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...ouncement-live

[vesper]

Obama is also ordering federal agencies to make "relevant data" available to the federal background check system and to remove barriers that might prevent states from providing information, particularly mental health data, for background checks.

Well there you have it! Obama FINALLY does the sensible thing and will finally enforce exsisting law, and make background checks more effective. The biggest failure has been the background checks the government is tasked with.

Being a crazy person, proud racist or sypathyser with terror groups should be grounds to lose your ability to own guns.

Glad this is settled. In 5 - 7 years we can analys data and see which policies worked and which ones failed.

DC 2008 Folks are allowed to carry concealed guns... gun murders make dramatic drop
NYC 2013 cracks down on legal gun owners
Florida 2006 stand your ground laws.... gun murders sharply decrease 23%
Texas 2008 Murder rates plunge 14% after state stops sending young people to jail for minor crimes and enhances stand your ground

The one thing that is quite interesting is how Illinois, with the toughest gun laws, only state that does not allow concealed guns, and the murder rate is spiralling out of control!

I am so pleased Obama did not fall for the failed Illinois model and did sensable things instead.


Chicago Homicides Outnumber U.S. Troop Killings In Afghanistan

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/16/chicago-homicide-rate-wor_n_1602692.html
Chicago's murder rate is also currently quadruple that of New York and double Los Angeles' rate.

[lecale]

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[vesper]

So now conspiracy theorists are claiming children may not have died and it was all a great big hoax so that Obama could change/impose gun control laws

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/01...es-on-youtube/

Not suprisingly, both those professors promote all sorts of other nutty conspiracy theories. I think both are 9/11 truthers to. Why the media gives these nuts any coverage is beyond me!!

[i_forget]

CONSPIRACY THEORY ALERT!!!

I better not...

[vesper]

CONSPIRACY THEORY ALERT!!!

I better not...

The only conspricay theory worth looking at is the one that shut down Twinkies!!

[i_forget]

The only conspricay theory worth looking at is the one that shut down Twinkies!!

Do not get me started on the American food system, their health insurance and congress....I do not want to fight lol

[vesper]

Do not get me started on the American food system, their health insurance and congress....I do not want to fight lol

I don't fight. I win.

((( no wonder I am 36 not married ever )))

[i_forget]

I don't fight. I win.

((( no wonder I am 36 not married ever )))

You are not fighting with the right woman then.