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Thread: Abortion.. is it murder or not?
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Fri, Feb 9th, 2007, 07:49 PM #1
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Fri, Feb 9th, 2007, 08:38 PM #2jimmycanuckGuest
Boo - you SURE you want to start a topic like this? It's pretty loaded, and it's going to make a lot of people angry with each other.
I hate to be the voice of reason around here (lord knows I'm usually the first one in line to offend anyone) but still, this is pretty scary stuff.
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Fri, Feb 9th, 2007, 08:41 PM #3bcteagirlGuest
I was going to say something similar...
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Sat, Feb 10th, 2007, 12:26 AM #4Julie AndrewsGuest
me too!
But, we're a bunch of Canadians, we can keep things cool.
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Sat, Feb 10th, 2007, 02:44 PM #5
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ok i will be the first to say something about the topic then. I say it depends the only time i see it as ok is if you are a victim of rape or if your young enough that your body isnt developed enough to handle having a child.
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Sat, Feb 10th, 2007, 06:14 PM #6jimmycanuckGuest
Ok - I'll go on the record. The ONLY situation when abortion is acceptable in my opinion is if the pregnancy endangers the life of the mother.
...or if I knock you up.
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Sat, Feb 10th, 2007, 09:18 PM #7
About a year ago in South Dakota, there was a movement to pass a law banning all abortion, including in cases of rape and incest (only exception was if the mother would die.) In the fall, the public voted on this, and they overturned this ban.
When does life begin? An eight cell embryo has the potential to become a full body, but in itself, it is not viable. A fetus is not a human...it is a fetus..and different rights apply to it. Therefore, abortion is not murder...it is abortion.
Extracted from a paper I wrote last semester:
..."Laurie Shrage writes in Abortion and Social Responsibility the main tenants advocating abortion rights. She writes:
Moral and legal defenses of abortion typically appeal to some kind of
liberty right: (1) the right to be free from social coercion on matters of
personal importance, such as procreation, (2) the freedom to follow
one’s conscience on reasonably disputable moral matters, (3) freedom
from involuntary servitude, which encompasses the right to refuse to
provide help - even critically needed assistance – to others, and
(4) freedom from bodily invasion and injury. (Shrage 41)"
A woman, or any human, does not have to provide service to another, whether classified as human, fetus, or other.
Abortion is abortion.
The pole is rather bias to the pro-life position. All of the options appear to classify aboriton as murder (murder, depends, and acceptable if the mum wants...) Certinally the first two identifications classify abortion as being murder some of the time. As I mentioned, since a fetus is not considered a human, it cannot be classified as murder.
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Sat, Feb 10th, 2007, 10:15 PM #8
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Going to sit on the fence here.
I think this is one of those MYOB situations.
I have no right, nor does anyone else, to tell anyone what decision they should make.
It would, I think, would not have been something that I could have done, (don't have to worry about it any more). However I am not sure having never been in that situation.
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Sat, Feb 10th, 2007, 10:57 PM #9
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I think it is very important the we have the right to choose in the case of abortion. I keep trying to write a comment but I keep erasing them, nothing i type seems to say what I want to. I don't think abortion is wrong, but I don't believe that right should be abused.
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Wed, Feb 14th, 2007, 11:02 PM #10
Abortion by a rape victim is legal, isn't it? Thought I read about it before somewhere.
So yeah, it totally depends on the situation.
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Wed, Feb 14th, 2007, 11:28 PM #11Julie AndrewsGuest
Ok... I'll say more about this topic.
When I was 6 weeks pregnant with Baby J. I had major complications with the pregnancy and the short of the story was that the doc at the hospital (where I was admitted) wanted to abort him. The doc wanted me to do a surgery which would have resulted in me loosing Baby J. He told me to 'cut my losses and try again'.
That doc would not even discharge me... so after a week I left the hospital against medical advice and went to a specialist who knew what he was doing. I went on complete bed-rest and did surgery when I was 5 months pregnant, but I have a happy and healthy baby boy now.
Personally, I believe it completely depends on the situation. If in the case where the pregnancy causes a life or death situation with the mother it should be up to the mother to decide. (She should not to be forced by any doctor to have an abortion.)
If in the case of rape or incest- it should also be up to the mother to decide.
I have issues when people choose to abort girls (or boys) solely because of their gender. And I am also against abortion in cases where the child has a disability.
I also don't think that abortion should be the first line of birth control. There are so many birth control products out there that you can use condoms, oral contraceptive pills, the nuva ring, the ortho evra patch... you can even go on depo provera or have an IUD. Mind you that being said- any one of these contraceptive methods could fail- but if they were used at least the effort was made to prevent an unplanned pregnancy.
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Wed, Feb 14th, 2007, 11:36 PM #12
Depends on the country....
If you are refering to Canada...abortion is a legal practice in hospitals and clinics. Although accesibility to said hosipitals or clinics varies greatly depending on your geographical location.
What I noted in an earlier post was that in South Dakota law makers were trying to pass a bill that would make it ILLEGAL to abort in cases of rape or incest. This bill was turned down in the fall by voters.
I have more information at my other home which I will post when I return there.
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Thu, Feb 15th, 2007, 09:46 AM #13
I think the question is not whether Abortion is murder or not. It's more of a question on whether it should be il-/legalized.
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Sun, Feb 18th, 2007, 11:00 AM #14
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This is kind of a touchy subject??? I think that the only time a woman should get an abortion is when she was raped! other than that have the baby and give it up for adoption, there are so many ppl out there that want kids and can't have them.
Julie that happened with me to, i to was pregnant with twins and i went into preterm labor and the twins also had TTTS ( where one baby get more blood than the other making one really big and on really small) in a nut shell a TEAM of doctors came in and told me that i should abort the pregnancy " i was still young i had the rest of my life to have kids" this was coming from a doctor that walked in with keys in her hand with a key chain on it that said worlds best mommy! Yah i told her to get the F*ck out of my room!
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Sun, Feb 18th, 2007, 11:02 AM #15
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I'm gonna go for, that it depends on the situation
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