What Should Be Considered HV or Rare Coupons

[hollyquaiscer]

I've been scanning through the trade threads a lot lately, and it amazes me that so many people place value on regular, easy to find coupons. I recently read through a thread thathad listed coupons such as The $3WUB2 Aveeno products as a HV coupon!

It's getting ridiculous, the amount of value placed on some coupons. I try to be more than fair with all my trades, but some people are requesting outrageous $$$$ values. Yes, we can walk away from a trade, but I was thinking that some people may not actually know what a HV coupon, or a Rare coupon is, and what makes them so.

I think if we can explain what most of us feel are HV coupons, perhaps it may give some of the newer traders an idea to go with, and they can take it from there. Of coarse, a person can ask whatever they would like for your coupons, there is not set rule, or rules, but I'm hoping this may help some people out.

Please keep in mind that this is jus twhat I feel. I would ask others add their opinions so we can all have an idea of where everyone is coming from.

IMO only....a HV coupon is one that would make the product free or almost free when you purchase it on sale using the coupon
Eg...$5 on any maple leaf prime chicken product...on sale chicken can be purchased for around $1
$5 on skinny cow ice cream treats...again, when purchased on sale the item can be purchased for around $1 or less
normally, print at home coupons are not considered HV,
and almost never are tear pad coupons considered under this catagory

IMO only.... a HD coupon is one that will give you an overage such as the $3 Nexus coupon


IMO only....a RARE coupon is one that is not readily available to most of us
eg.... A coupon received by a product rep, a coupon with no specific restrictions as to purchase ($5 on any Kraft product)
A coupon that available in limited quantities and from sources other than tear pads eg....shoppers voice coupons or mail outs to a specific area only

IMO only .... The value of an FPC is only determined by its use to you. If you have an FPC for sunlight laundry detergent, but you can't use it you are allergic to that type of soap, then it is worthless to you. If you can trade it for say.....3 $2 on any maple leaf prime chicken (which you purchase every week) than that is a great trade. We for some reason get caught up in the fact that it's an FPC, and forget to think about what we can actually use. A lot of people use the actual retail value of the FPC for it's trading value. I don't do this as most of the FPC products can actually be purchase on sale for a fraction of the coupon value.

I realize that this doesn't clear up all the confusion. But I'm hoping that those new to trading that my have questions can find some answers of what different members feel about their coupons and the value of them

Thanks everyone and please feel free to add to this.

[couponandoff]

I just plain agree.


>>> Also sick of the lack of value train riders put on their VWT wishlist coupons. If you're RRLF it, then why is it only worth 1 point to you?! Make it worth ALL and you'll actually receive some of the coupons you're RRRRRRRLF!

[MDellen]

I agree.

*EDIT* Depending on the coupons source, just because it gets a free item (not a fpc) doesn't make it HV, imo. The $2 Resolve I think fits into this category.... inserts are so readily available that they shouldn't be treated like gold. *EDIT*

I'll add this though, I am one of those with the $3wub2 Aveeno that I consider a HV/Rare one because of it's UPC, (they're ones I got from a rep but I think they were also available as a product insert) Traders from the East might not pay attention to the upc's when they see them on a list and wonder why they are considered more valuable, but us out West are clawing for certain UPC's.

[robin1234s]

I would like to add that FPC's that have a certain "max value" are not really worth that amount when you could easily purchase them for much less on sale.

[AmandaPantz]

I would like to add that FPC's that have a certain "max value" are not really worth that amount when you could easily purchase them for much less on sale.

Hey-a!

I usually trade this "max value" way, but I will match my max value to the other trader's max value. Also, I will 1/4 (or even less) max value for things like SDM or GC. I think this is fair

[Stretchthatdollar!]

I think rare means rare... It can mean something that you only get once a year, a replacement voucher, something everyone is LF and mot usually willing to trade. Things like that.

[elayjosh]

Also for FPC's.... The value of an FPC is only determined by its use to you. If you have an FPC for sunlight laundry detergent, but you can't use it you are allergic to that type of soap, then it is worthless to you. If you can trade it for say.....3 $2 on any maple leaf prime chicken (which you purchase every week) than that is a great trade. We for some reason get caught up in the fact that it's an FPC, and forget to think about what we can actually use.

This is an excellent point!

[NikyK]

I'm sorry to rain on your parade, but you didn't clear up any confusion, you mixed up HV coupons and High Demand coupons.
HV coupons - is one that would make the product free or almost free when you purchase it on sale using the coupon. But that's not all, it must be either mail-out coupon, rep coupon, or save.ca/websaver coupon, something you can't get easily or you're limited to a certain numbers. Never ever tear-pads coupons were HV!!! Those are HD (High Demand coupons). Thus, $3 Nexxus, is not HV, it's HD coupon.
About FPC, people never trade FPC they can use, they trade something, they can't. FPC is always more valuable than HV, or regular coupons, that's why we always traded FPC for HV, 1:2, for regular coupons - 1:3, and up. Maybe that's the reason people prefer to trade FPC only for other FPC?

[hollyquaiscer]

NikyK, thats exactly what I said!!! I also requested others add their opinion. I trade FPC's I use all the time as I really don't need any more hair products, but I could use drink products, thus I trade my FPC for another. I believe others are probably the same. I don't feel I added to the confusion as you and I stated the exact same thing. As for HD coupons, I did not even mention those, so thank you for your input!


Please feel free to add your comments.

[Bronwen]

I'm sorry to rain on your parade, but you didn't clear up any confusion, you mixed up HV coupons and High Demand coupons.
HV coupons - is one that would make the product free or almost free when you purchase it on sale using the coupon. But that's not all, it must be either mail-out coupon, rep coupon, or save.ca/websaver coupon, something you can't get easily or you're limited to a certain numbers. Never ever tear-pads coupons were HV!!! Those are HD (High Demand coupons). Thus, $3 Nexxus, is not HV, it's HD coupon.
About FPC, people never trade FPC they can use, they trade something, they can't. FPC is always more valuable than HV, or regular coupons, that's why we always traded FPC for HV, 1:2, for regular coupons - 1:3, and up. Maybe that's the reason people prefer to trade FPC only for other FPC?

I agree. HV and HD are often confused which I believe is the reason for all the confusion in the first place.

For me *personally* I consider things like the Ziplock chicken coupons HV in a trade because I'm rrrlf them so I consider them worth more to me to sweeten the trade for the other person, if that makes sense. This is just an example. It's actually not a HV its a HD *but* I treat it as a HV when I am asking for it to help "seal the deal" if you will.

I agree that for trains people list things oddly sometimes. Like again I will use the example of the Ziplock coupons. Not a HV but a HD and some people list it as a one point coupon. Anything I'm rlf I list as all (ie I listed the $0.75 block cheese as 3 points for a a while and got a ton!).

In the end all that matters is if you are happy with the trade. I get certain FPCs that mean nothing to me because I don't like or use the product so I don't mind trading it for less value than it is technically worth for a coupon/s I will def use. FPCs are nice but I think when trading we sometimes forget that while its nice to have an FPC you can usually get the product for less than half what the FPC is worth when its on sale and you have a coupon. Example: the V8 fusion juice. The FPC max value is $4. But it went on sale for $1.99 last month so with the $0.75 coupon it made it $1.25. So why would I trade other FPCs or HV. I hope that makes sense lol. Now that there are no good.V8 Fusion coupies around except the $0.50 ones the FPC is worth a little more. But again this is all based on opinion. We have two kids and a niece and nephew who stay the summer so to me getting juice for free or close to it is very important. To someone else who never drinks juice it is a useless coupon (unless its the SYB pin so they can get other stuff).

I think starting a thread like this could potentially help clear up some confusion if its taken seriously and we keep in mind that the whole reason for trading is that we place value on some coupons more than others and so do other traders so we can hopefully work out a deal both parties are happy with. And in the end that what is important right.



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[daynabas]

I think some coupons (even ones with a lower $ value) should be considered under "rare" or "HV" if they are NED. Like Marc Angelo $2 or Dole salads $1. Sure the value is low, BUT because of NED you can actually hold onto them until that good sale comes up! I just traded 2 J&J replacement FPCs for 10 Marc Angelo $2 NED (and some other things) but it was the MA that sealed the deal for me

[NikyK]

NikyK, thats exactly what I said!!! I also requested others add their opinion. I trade FPC's I use all the time as I really don't need any more hair products, but I could use drink products, thus I trade my FPC for another. I believe others are probably the same. I don't feel I added to the confusion as you and I stated the exact same thing.


Please feel free to add your comments.

Sorry, Holly, but you do. If you'd like to know our opinions, please change you thread for now, and remove this line: "Please keep in mind that this is just a guideline." It's not a guideline at the moment, it's your own opinion, it's what you consider HV again. We have a thread "What do you think trades should be worth 2.0", this is a guideline FallenPixels created based on hundreds opinions posted in that thread.The same with FPC - FPC is only determined by its use to you, Holly it's your opinion again... The value of the FPC was always determined by "The 'value' of HV and FPC would be what SCers would pay for the product considering cents off coupons they would usually use and sale prices NOT max value on coupon or how expensive you can find it for to prove value."
As FallenPixels mentioned "for you to know if a trade is fair, actual trade rates are up to the individual and any trade should be what the two people trading are happy with, regardless of guideline". So, if you feel OK to trade FPC Sunlight for 3 x $2 ML coupons, go ahead, but Holly it's not a guideline.

[Stretchthatdollar!]

I think this thread is just going to start a fight! Lol... Really i think, just like in government, trying to make a rule that is pleasing to everybody doesn't work as well in practice as in theory because people all have different circumstances and value different things.
I agree completely with Bronwen, (with whom I recently traded $25 of cereal and yogurt coupons for one FPC FYI) that You CANNOT assume the value of something to someone else, what you can do ( and SHOULD my opinion) is just trade what you are willing to part with for somethng you want more or could use more at that time!
I get that there are guidelines so people don't get taken advantage of but in reality you can do anything you want and if you both agree who cares!
i have been purposely challenging these guidelines lately. My rule of thumb is whatever you can ACTUALLY save in OOP cash at the check out is the trade value ie: $10 Similac cheque is worth $10 off a can of formula so I hope I get $10 but then again...I don't need formula anymore so I am willing to trade it at a much better rate even though someone people on here see that they can squeeze more out of someone with an infant. trading at a more "generous" rate is a personal decision, but
I feel better knowing I got somthing I need and got rid of something I don't...some people on here are taking it to an extreme and making trading so stressful!

[<3 My $aving$ <3]

Just Curious , (forgive me) but what does "NED" mean ?!?

I think some coupons (even ones with a lower $ value) should be considered under "rare" or "HV" if they are NED. Like Marc Angelo $2 or Dole salads $1. Sure the value is low, BUT because of NED you can actually hold onto them until that good sale comes up! I just traded 2 J&J replacement FPCs for 10 Marc Angelo $2 NED (and some other things) but it was the MA that sealed the deal for me

[NikyK]

Just Curious , (forgive me) but what does "NED" mean ?!?

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