Vatican proposes 'stunning' shift on gays, lesbians

[MortgageQueen]

Pretty big news

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2014/10/13/vatican-proposes-stunning-shift-on-gays-lesbians/?sr=tw101314pastoralearthquake2pVODtopPhoto




11:09 AM ET



Vatican proposes 'stunning' shift on gays, lesbians

By Delia Gallagher, CNN
ROME (CNN) – Using strikingly open language, a new Vatican report says the church should welcome and appreciate gays, and offers a solution for divorced and remarried Catholics who want to receive Communion.
At a press conference on Monday to present the report, Cardinal Louis Antonio Tagle of the Philippines said Catholic clergy meeting here have largely focused on the impact of poverty, war and immigration on families.
But the newly proposed language on gays and civil marriages represents a “pastoral earthquake,” said one veteran Vatican journalist.
“Regarding homosexuals, it went so far as to pose the question whether the church could accept and value their sexual orientation without compromising Catholic doctrine,” said John Thavis, a former Rome bureau chief for Catholic News Service.
The Rev. James Martin, an author and Jesuit priest, called the report's language on gays and lesbians "revolutionary."
“This is a stunning change in the way that the Catholic Church speaks about gay people.”
"The synod said that gay people have 'gifts and talents to offer the Christian community.' This is something that even a few years ago would have been unthinkable," Martin added.
The Catholic Catechism calls homosexual acts “intrinsically disordered” and calls on gays and lesbians to live in chastity. Under Pope Benedict XVI, the church had tried to purge men with "deep-seated homosexual tendencies" from the priesthood.
But Pope Francis, while hewing to Catholic teaching, has signaled a gentler tone, famously saying in 2013 "Who am I to judge?" gays and lesbians.
The report released on Monday, a summary of a week of closed-door discussions of nearly 200 bishops, cardinals and priests, together with Pope Francis, continues that trend. No doctrinal changes have been proposed, however.
The discussions continue this week and a final report will be issued at the end of the week.
The goal of this meeting, officially called the Extraordinary Synod of Bishops on the Family, is to present working proposals for a larger meeting to be held next October 2015.
Here’s a summary of where the church may be heading on hot-button issues.
Gays and lesbians
The report firmly re-states the Catholic Church’s position that marriage is between a man and a woman and therefore, “unions between people of the same sex cannot be considered on the same footing as matrimony between a man and a woman.”
However it notes that, there are examples of good gay relationships “in which mutual aid to the point of sacrifice constitutes a precious support in the life of partners.”
The report states:

“Homosexuals have gifts and qualities to offer to the Christian community. Are we capable of welcoming these people, guaranteeing to them a fraternal space in our communities? Often they wish to encounter a church that offers them a welcoming home. Are our communities capable of providing that, accepting and valuing their sexual orientation, without compromising Catholic doctrine on the family and matrimony?”

The report adds that the church should pay "special attention to the children who live with couples of the same sex, emphasizing that the needs and rights of the little ones must always be given priority.”
Finally, the report laments any outside pressure from “international bodies” that make “regulations inspired by gender ideology” a prerequisite of financial aid.
Communion
On the hotly debated question of Communion for divorced and remarried Catholics, the synod’s report offers a solution of the “penitential path” or a period of reflection and penance which would allow the partners in a second marriage to receive communion.
This solution, it says, must not be a “general possibility” but one which could be applied in certain cases. It would be up to the local bishop to make the decision.
The document states that this was only one possible solution and that the problem requires further study.
Annulments
“The speeding up of the procedure” of granting annulments was requested by many, according to the report. Various ways to make annulments “more accessible and flexible” were suggested by the Synod.
Contraception
The synod discussions re-iterated the church’s “appropriate teaching regarding natural methods” of birth control.
Citing economic factors which sometimes contribute to the decision not to have children, the synod nonetheless states that “being open to life is an intrinsic requirement of married love.”
Cohabitation and civil marriage
The synod discussions emphasized the “positive reality” of civil weddings and cohabitation which, while not the ideal of Christian marriage, nonetheless contain “constructive elements.”
Many couples who choose to live together, according to the synod, do so for economic reasons.
“Simple cohabitation is often a choice inspired by a general attitude, which is opposed to institutions and definitive undertakings, but also while waiting for a secure existence (a steady job and income).”
“In other countries common-law marriages are very numerous…because getting married is a luxury, so that material poverty encourages people to live in common-law marriages.”
In these cases, the synod says, “The church is called on to be the house of the Fathers, with doors always wide open…where there is a place for everyone, with all their problems.”
(CNN's Daniel Burke contributed to this report.)

[Natalka]

Note that it's a preliminary report which will be discussed for a year, then brought back to synod next fall - here's the document itself

http://press.vatican.va/content/sala...751/03037.html

[Patty Smyth]

Well I believe it's because the pope(and half the cardinals for that matter) is gay and he is trying to slowly, although this is light speed for the church, shift the archaic views of the church.

Progress it's 2014 and no one is going to die from the "gay".

[Natalka]

Wow, Patty, that's stunning breaking news! - about the pope being gay.

[MortgageQueen]

Maybe yes maybe no. But what's the point of religion without the Bible? Why not just become a "movement" or something?

[Patty Smyth]

Wow, Patty, that's stunning breaking news! - about the pope being gay.

and what difference would it make if he was?

[Natalka]

Just wondering about the facts, man, just the facts - you usually leave links.
Read the document, it's interesting. I left the link above.

[Patty Smyth]

Just wondering about the facts, man, just the facts - you usually leave links.
Read the document, it's interesting. I left the link above.

No link, it's only my personal opinion.


Here is a new article though. They are backtracking a bit already.

Or as they say rewording it. However the floodgates are open. Dialog is now necessary.

http://churchandstate.org.uk/2014/10...rt-about-gays/

[walkonby]

well I for one think the Pope is FABULOUS!! ( yes I am being snarky and flauntingly funny in my support of his possible gayness)

[MortgageQueen]

Looks like an issue the could potentially implode the vatican. . . much dissent in the ranks.

[Patty Smyth]

This is quite an interesting point of view.

[Natalka]

And the theological rebuttal:

http://www.firstthings.com/web-exclu...-homosexuality

[Andit]

Apologies if I offend anyone, I truly do not wish to upset anyone.

This is quite an interesting point of view.

Am I the only one with spidey senses tingling? Something just seems...off.... This fellow reads more like an actor in training playing a role than someone who believes his words. And I wasn't surprised to see the tie in to the book and other paraphernalia.

Don't really care if he's gay, straight, bi, or howls at the moon and streaks naked through the streets during each solstice, he just rubs me the wrong way. I do find it terribly sad that he found it necessary to do thorough research on this topic to be able to communicate with his parents.


It's funny the first thing that popped into my head was this song:



And some background info on the tune, if anyone's interested (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_He_Knows_Me).

[Natalka]

I thought the same, Andi.

[Patty Smyth]

Apologies if I offend anyone, I truly do not wish to upset anyone.



Am I the only one with spidey senses tingling? Something just seems...off.... This fellow reads more like an actor in training playing a role than someone who believes his words. And I wasn't surprised to see the tie in to the book and other paraphernalia.

Don't really care if he's gay, straight, bi, or howls at the moon and streaks naked through the streets during each solstice, he just rubs me the wrong way. I do find it terribly sad that he found it necessary to do thorough research on this topic to be able to communicate with his parents.


It's funny the first thing that popped into my head was this song:



And some background info on the tune, if anyone's interested (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_He_Knows_Me).

Well to be honest I find him creepy like I find all pastors/priests creepy, so I am not offended by your comment but that's just me.