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    Quote Originally Posted by TaraF View Post
    Actually it isn't a false argument Jadzia, how many times have you heard of uniforms or weapons going missing at police stations? How does the Military misplace weapons? Happens more often than you'd think. I didn't start this thread to dissect what happened but simply to see if anyone knew protocol for officers wearing badges/name tags and asking them to Identify themselves if they aren't. I have respect for anyone in uniform that follows the rules and gives me due respect, when they don't, they won't get it in return.

    It was a bogus arrest fitting of a bogus Government and the "Police" were only instigating the peaceful protesters.

    It is a false argument. Rarely do uniforms go missing. I did not see any Officer instigating the protesters who were impeding traffic and causing a disturbance.

    You are the one that brought up the protest and posted the video. If you did not want it to be discussed or disected then you should have not posted the video

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snow Queen View Post
    Excuse me but I am sure the thousands of innocent people who get exonterated year after year after spending decades in jail due to false charges would claim otherwise.

    This was a group of people, including kids, just chanting for something that they believed in. Someone above me claimed this didn't look peaceful. If you want to claim this isn't peaceful then lets not get in to the riots that occuring in Greece every week. The problem I have with many individuals in this country is they dont want to stand up for anything in their life and will listen to anything that is spoon-fed to them by the government and by big organizations.
    Blocking an intersection on Sussex of all places, is not the wise thing to do. Especially with children. The clip posted is interestingly missing (or not recorded) what happen just before the arrest. He could have been ordered to move out of the intersection and if he refused, he is opening himself up to be arrested.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kparker1786 View Post
    Yes, CBC IS biased towards Conservatives. Was going to post the link but TaraF beat me to it.

    As for the bullying, 'lively debate" is one thing. But saying "If you are willing to kick an Officer in the nuts, then be prepared to get thrown to the ground. HARD! You say you have respect, but I do not see it in your posts." is RUDE and very ignorant.. I'd do the same thing unless he ID'd himself! I will not be taken by some random dude unless I see a badge.

    I personally, do not support Conservatives. Never have, nor will I ever. Plus I harbour some major hate towards Liberals, so obviously I'm NDP. My husband however is all for BQ BAHAHA (He's American)
    Rude for pointing out what would happen if you kicked an Officer in the nuts??

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    Quote Originally Posted by TaraF View Post
    erin9mmm I agree with you the video is disgusting. The police instigated a peaceful demonstration and riled up a peaceful crowd the POLICE are disgusting. While you might not like the chants they were using (and I suspect anyone that supports the Conservatives wouldn't) anyone viewing that video sees a peaceful demonstration until Derek is arrested, than people get angry. People get angrier when they see police with no ID and refusing to ID themselves. The charges against Derek will be dropped because they are bogus.
    The police were doing their job and doing it well considering.

    What puzzles me though is why were you there demonstrating in the first place? Wouldn't it have been much wiser to have your protest somewhere that doesn't disrupt the general public? The protest is meant to inform and make a point but from what I saw in that video all that was accomplished was annoying traffic and the neighbourhood. People will go away with memories of the disrespect to the officers, the yelling, the blocking traffic and oh yes the clown with the tent. So what was your protest about - people hate Harper? Hard to tell. I would have been embarrassed and ashamed if I were there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by erin9mmm View Post
    I would have been embarrassed and ashamed if I were there.
    Of course you would have, just like 90% of the country. No wonder our rights are getting impeded on and taken away, everyone is too "asahamed" to stand up for what they believe in. I command and support anyone who is willing to protest and stand up for what they believe in as they are the ones who are willing to protect this countries civil liberties.

    Standing in the road is nothing more than non-violent resistent as they are attempting to achieve their goals through civil disobedience, NOT violence.I am wondering what you would have said to Mahatma Gandhi when he was attempting to gain independence from the British? You would tell him you were ashamed for him using civil disobedience to protest?

    I just shake my head in disbelief reading some of this. I guess while some people will put their life on the line just to protect their freedom and rights while others don't mind it being taken away.

    I should probably stop posting in this topic. I am too passionate about this topic.
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    Actually, I did think of Gandhi as soon as I read that the was a 'peaceful' protest. I have a hard time imagining him screaming at police officers. The fact that people don't agree with the actions of the protests does not in any way mean they do not value the right to protest or that they are too gutless to stand up for themselves. There are many ways to effect change in our society and protest is only one of them.
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    I know I said I was done with this thread, but dangit I'm back lol Just wanted to address a few questions directed at me is all, so here goes.

    Jadzia, my Husband is ex Military and items went missing constantly from the bases he was on. It happens more than you think, publicized a lot less and it's not the point to having an officer ID himself when asked. I did post the video to prove my allegation that officers were not wearing any ID and refused to ID themselves when asked not to discuss why we were protesting. It is our right as Canadians to assemble freely and protest in the streets, unfortunately too many people in this country are apathetic that someone makes a little noise and it's an all out riot here.


    And I am certainly not arguing Dereks arrest, what I'm arguing is WHY he was arrested. He was not inciting a riot, blocking a street maybe but inciting a riot is bogus.




    Erin I will answer your questions in your above post in point form hoping it doesn't all run together lol


    1. Why were we demonstrating? Because this Government is Illigitimate at this point due to Election Fraud that occured in the last election. While they are my personal opinions they are also facts based upon Elections Canadas findings. Oh yeah and a whole other slew of things I won't get into but you did ask. And as for why at Parliament and Sussex dr? To make a Political statement.


    2. Why protest in the street? To get attention. There is no point to protesting quietly in a field far away from people, that's not the point of a protest. I know people standing up for what they believe in makes a lot of people in this country uncomfortable, and to that I say GOOD.


    3. It was a protest not a town hall meeting meant to inform people.


    4. You may have been embarrassed but that's because you differ politically from myself. I was extremely proud of the protesters who didn't lose their cool when an officer arrested a peaceful protester for inciting a riot. Yes they got louder but no violence occurred. Kudus to all there.


    And since alot here seem to think that I would just enjoy going around and kicking Police Officers in the balls for and giggles, you obviously have missed earlier posts that I made here so I'll break it down again:


    I have recieved physical threats over the Petition that I drafted, I have been threatened and intimated online and in person, I have had a person post that they were coming to find me at a rally. I have police reports about this crap and I have right to fear for my safety, so if anyone approaches me with a gun holstered to their side and wants to arrest me for whatever reason and refuses to ID themselves, I'm not going without a fight. If you can't understand why than I won't try to explain it because I'll only give myself a headache.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TaraF View Post
    First, we weren't playing in traffic, we were protesting Second, the charge of inciting a riot is heavy and carries a heavy consequence and it's clearly not what was happening here. Charge him with Jaywalking or find a comparable charge of being in the street but don't trump charges up for inciting a riot. And since he wasn't the only person in the street if these "police" were being just and fair they either would have arrested everyone or no one at all.
    I apologize if my words were insensitive. I've been under some stress lately, & clearly my attempt to add a little levity to a thread where things were beginning to get tense backfired.

    I do question why the protest went out into the intersection. Were there so many protestors that there wasn`t room on the sidewalk? If so, kudos to you for getting folks out. If not, I do worry that someone could get hurt. PLEASE, stay safe. I, for one, enjoy reading your posts.


    Quote Originally Posted by Snow Queen View Post
    Of course you would have, just like 90% of the country. No wonder our rights are getting impeded on and taken away, everyone is too "asahamed" to stand up for what they believe in. I command and support anyone who is willing to protest and stand up for what they believe in as they are the ones who are willing to protect this countries civil liberties.
    I think the shame comes from some of the fringe elements that like to go to protests (the few bad apples, the violent folks just itching for a fight).

    If anyone is to blame for the inaction in this country, it`s the media who makes or breaks a cause. Friends of friends were at a protest where several thousand people held a quiet vigil (they had a permit, they stayed within the area assigned them, there were no arrests made) - they got a one sentence mention on the back page of one newspaper. A much smaller protest (barely 50 people) was held the next night, they had no permit, they disrupted the flow of traffic & arrests were made - they were on the front page.


    Quote Originally Posted by Snow Queen View Post
    Standing in the road is nothing more than non-violent resistent as they are attempting to achieve their goals through civil disobedience, NOT violence.
    And if standing in the road means a house burns beyond saving because a fire engine is delayed or a person suffering a heart attack cannot be revived because the ambulance doesn`t get there on time, that`s just the price of freedom? What if it were your home? Your family member?

    Quote Originally Posted by Snow Queen View Post
    I just shake my head in disbelief reading some of this. I guess while some people will put their life on the line just to protect their freedom and rights while others don't mind it being taken away.
    Out of curiosity, have you ever visited a country where folks don`t have freedom? Or if they have a modicum of it, have very limited rights?

    I think that`s what makes me right of centre. I`ve seen what happens when socialist ideals go very far astray.


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    "Jadzia, my Husband is ex Military and items went missing constantly from the bases he was on. It happens more than you think, publicized a lot less and it's not the point to having an officer ID himself when asked. I did post the video to prove my allegation that officers were not wearing any ID and refused to ID themselves when asked not to discuss why we were protesting. It is our rights as Canadians to assemble freely and protest in the streets, unfortunately too many people in this country are apathetic that someone makes a little noise and it's an all out riot here."


    If it happens so often, then why are there not more reports of people being approached by fake Officers? Trying to arrest people? People getting hurt by these fake Officers?
    Refusing to ID themselves as an Officer of the law is different than not providing their name. Did you really think that with other Officers around and hundered of witnesses, someone would dress up as an Officer to seek you out in broad daylight?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andit View Post
    I apologize if my words were insensitive. I've been under some stress lately, & clearly my attempt to add a little levity to a thread where things were beginning to get tense backfired.

    I do question why the protest went out into the intersection. Were there so many protestors that there wasn`t room on the sidewalk? If so, kudos to you for getting folks out. If not, I do worry that someone could get hurt. PLEASE, stay safe. I, for one, enjoy reading your posts.
    No worries, and sorry if I took unjust offense to it, been under a lot of stress lately myself. Standing up for something you believe in especially when it's against Government is certainly not for the faint of heart. As mentioned above I've received threats over this both online and in person so if anyone (not you, just a general comment) thinks I'm doing this just for fun, or to cause a little crap, think again. But the one thing those here that know me should know: I'm a fighter, and don't scare too easily. When faced with adversity I only come out swinging.
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    Quote Originally Posted by erin9mmm View Post
    The police were doing their job and doing it well considering.

    What puzzles me though is why were you there demonstrating in the first place? Wouldn't it have been much wiser to have your protest somewhere that doesn't disrupt the general public? The protest is meant to inform and make a point but from what I saw in that video all that was accomplished was annoying traffic and the neighbourhood. People will go away with memories of the disrespect to the officers, the yelling, the blocking traffic and oh yes the clown with the tent. So what was your protest about - people hate Harper? Hard to tell. I would have been embarrassed and ashamed if I were there.
    It was parliament hill for heaven's sake, what else do you expect to see while there? Tourists should expect that kind of thing while at parliament or any political institution! I've seen protesters while in DC (along the mall, and to the white house, capital building), didn't ruin my time there, made it somewhat more interesting. IF anything, the pot smokers who go to hang out there and at Major's hill may be more of the eyesore, but who cares, they aren't harming anyone, normally just jamming on bongo drums with a guitar and dancing...

    Anecdotal evidence - I know the cops are pretty harsh on the hill and have knocked people out for being drunk on Canada Day.

    Buut maybe I'm used to these, since I've lived in Ottawa my whole life, have stumbled upon a few when I was 12 on Rideau (closed the street in front of the mall, protesting the G something meeting) and it's no big deal to me. Makes life interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snow Queen View Post
    Of course you would have, just like 90% of the country. No wonder our rights are getting impeded on and taken away, everyone is too "asahamed" to stand up for what they believe in.
    I am so tired of hearing about rights being impeded etc... If you want to see rights being impeded (to put it lightly) take a look at the documentary "Kimjongilia" about North Korea.
    By the way ashamed had to do with the behaviour not the protest. I saw photos Tara posted about protests at the parliament buildings etc. and although I disagreed with the basis of the protests they were peaceful and seemed to get their point across. The video however comes across like protesters who have no respect for the police or the people trying to mind their own business in that area. THAT in my opinion is shameful!
    Quote Originally Posted by TaraF View Post
    I know I said I was done with this thread, but dangit I'm back lol Just wanted to address a few questions directed at me is all, so here goes.
    Tara I knew you couldn't stay away! I've never seen you back away from a good debate before!! Welcome back (and stay it's more fun that way).


    Erin I will answer your questions in your above post in point form hoping it doesn't all run together lol

    1. Why were we demonstrating?
    Well that question was rhetorical.

    2. Why protest in the street? To get attention. There is no point to protesting quietly in a field far away from people, that's not the point of a protest. I know people standing up for what they believe in makes a lot of people in this country uncomfortable, and to that I say GOOD.
    But what kind of attention do you want? I think you may have turned more people off than on to your cause.

    4. You may have been embarrassed but that's because you differ politically from myself.
    Nope. I covered this one in my earlier quote in this post.

    I have recieved physical threats over the Petition that I drafted, I have been threatened and intimated online and in person, I have had a person post that they were coming to find me at a rally.
    Just to be clear I think that is shameful too.
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    Personally, I think its shameful that you think that just because you know the political views of some in this thread that you think they do not value civil liberties

    Do I think that he should have been arrested for inciting a riot? no. More than pure jaywalking? yes!

    I have worked in Parliament, in the UK but I am sure the same goes for most countries, I couldn't tell you what 99% of protests like that were about, you walk by them, roll your eyes at people carrying on and carry on. Real change happens from inside government, from speaking to people and showing how change can be made. It is all very well saying we don't like xyz but there needs to be a plan on how to change it and how those changes can be paid for. The ones I can remember, the guy who lost his underage son in the war when they didnt check his ID when he signed up, he stood outside Westminster Abbey every day and gave people info on how he wanted then to ask for 2 forms of ID and copy them for the files of everyone enlisting - and he got it. What did the people in the Mayday riots get? just bad publicity - they may be representatives but you show you don't value the system, they don't want to meet with you because they know it wont go anywhere.
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    Here's the thing about this "movement", anyone who isn't awake and paying attention to the egregious acts occurring infront of them right now, aren't going to be "turned on to our cause", we aren't trying to "win anyone" over. Alot of people seem to be enjoying their wilful ignorance about what is happening right around them and to each their own, but I refuse to.

    As for the tent lady LOL I had to approach her and ask her what that was about, apparently she is "Occupy Annie" with the occupy movement. While her choice of attire was interesting, I'd rather see someone protesting dressed like that than people just sitting at home turning a blind eye. Just my opinion. There is no control over who shows up to a protest but you can bet your bottom dollar the media picks up on the weirdo wearing a tent instead of the Husband and wife there with their 3 children, and there were alot of families there that day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FallenPixels View Post
    ...I couldn't tell you what 99% of protests like that were about, you walk by them, roll your eyes at people carrying on and carry on. Real change happens from inside government, from speaking to people and showing how change can be made. It is all very well saying we don't like xyz but there needs to be a plan on how to change it and how those changes can be paid for. The ones I can remember, the guy who lost his underage son in the war when they didnt check his ID when he signed up, he stood outside Westminster Abbey every day and gave people info on how he wanted then to ask for 2 forms of ID and copy them for the files of everyone enlisting - and he got it. What did the people in the Mayday riots get? just bad publicity - they may be representatives but you show you don't value the system, they don't want to meet with you because they know it wont go anywhere.
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