Oregon college shooting

[Lynn49]

I thought you didn't want to discuss this Patty? That's what you said in post 22, then we get post 25 and post 27.

As for who's to blame, his name is Chris Harper Mercer.

I believe Patty stated in her post, " I don't want to discuss it". Period. Stating an opinion doesn't mean being open to a discussion. I'm anti-gun and I'm not open to discussing it, either.

[DaveP]

Yet you're both discussing it.

[Patty Smyth]

School Shootings in America Since Sandy Hook

#	Date	City, State	School Name	Type	Discharged Firearm	Injured 1+ Person	Killed 1+ Person	Attempted Suicide	Committed Suicide
1.	1/08/2013	Fort Myers, FL	Apostolic Revival Center Christian School	K-12	X	X	X
2.	1/10/2013	Taft, CA	Taft Union High School	K-12	X	X
3.	1/15/2013	St. Louis, MO	Stevens Institute of Business & Arts	College	X	X		X
4.	1/15/2013	Hazard, KY	Hazard Community and Technical College	College	X	X	X
5.	1/16/2013	Chicago, IL	Chicago State University	College	X	X	X
6.	1/22/2013	Houston, TX	Lone Star College North Harris Campus	College	X	X
7.	1/31/2013	Atlanta, GA	Price Middle School	K-12	X	X
8.	2/1/2013	Atlanta, GA	Morehouse College	College	X	X
9.	2/7/2013	Fort Pierce, FL	Indian River St. College	College	X	X
10.	2/13/2013	San Leandro, CA	Hillside Elementary School	K-12	X	X	X
11.	2/27/2013	Atlanta, GA	Henry W. Grady HS	K-12	X	X
12.	3/18/2013	Orlando, FL	University of Central Florida	College	X			X	X
13.	3/21/2013	Southgate, MI	Davidson Middle School	K-12	X			X	X
14.	4/12/2013	Christiansburg, VA	New River Community College	College	X	X
15.	4/13/2013	Elizabeth City, NC	Elizabeth City State University	College	X	X
16.	4/15/2013	Grambling, LA	Grambling State University	College	X	X
17.	4/29/2013	Cincinnati, OH	La Salle High School	K-12	X	X		X
18.	6/7/2013	Santa Monica,CA	Santa Monica College	College	X	X	X
19.	6/19/2013	W. Palm Beach, FL	Alexander W. Dreyfoos School of the Arts	K-12	X	X	X
20.	8/15/2013	Clarksville, TN	Northwest High School	K-12	X	X	X
21.	8/20/2013	Decatur, GA	Ronald E. McNair Discovery Learning Academy	K-12	X
22.	8/22/2013	Memphis, TN	Westside Elementary School	K-12	X
23.	8/23/2013	Sardis, MS	North Panola High School	K-12	X	X	X
24.	8/30/2013	Winston-Salem, NC	Carver High School	K-12	X	X
25.	9/21/2013	Savannah, GA	Savannah State University	College	X	X	X
26.	9/28/2013	Gray, ME	New Gloucester High School	K-12	X			X	X
27.	10/4/2013	Pine Hills, FL	Agape Christian Academy	K-12	X	X
28.	10/15/2013	Austin, TX	Lanier High School	K-12	X			X	X
29.	10/21/2013	Sparks, NV	Sparks Middle School	K-12	X	X	X	X	X
30.	11/1/2013	Algona, IA	Algona High/Middle School	K-12	X			X	X
31.	11/2/2013	Greensboro, NC	North Carolina A&T State University	College	X	X
32.	11/3/2013	Stone Mountain, GA	Stephenson High School	K-12	X	X
33.	11/21/2013	Rapid City, SD	South Dakota School of Mines & Technology	College	X			X	X
34.	12/4/2013	Winter Garden, FL	West Orange High School	K-12	X	X
35.	12/13/2013	Arapahoe County, CO	Arapahoe High School	K-12	X	X	X	X	X
36.	12/19/2013	Fresno, CA	Edison High School	K-12	X	X
37.	1/9/2014	Jackson, TN	Liberty Technology Magnet HS	K-12	X	X
38.	1/14/2014	Roswell, NM	Berrendo Middle School	K-12	X	X
39.	1/15/2014	Lancaster, PA	Martin Luther King Jr. ES	K-12	X
40.	1/17/2014	Philadelphia, PA	Delaware Valley Charter HS	K-12	X	X
41.	1/20/2014	Chester, PA	Widener University	College	X	X
42.	1/21/2014	West Lafayette, IN	Purdue University	College	X	X	X
43.	1/24/2014	Orangeburg, SC	South Carolina State University	College	X	X	X
44.	1/28/2014	Nashville, TN	Tennessee State University	College	X	X
45.	1/28/2014	Grambling, LA	Grambling State University	College	X	X
46.	1/31/2014	Phoenix, AZ	Cesar Chavez High School	K-12	X
47.	1/31/2014	Des Moines, IA	North High School	K-12	X	X
48.	2/7/2014	Bend, OR	Bend High School	K-12	X			X	X
49.	2/10/2014	Salisbury, NC	Salisbury High School	K-12	X	X
50.	2/11/2014	Lyndhurst, OH	Brush High School	K-12	X
51.	2/12/2014	Jackson, TN	Union University	College	X	X
52.	2/20/2014	Raytown, MO	Raytown Success Academy	K-12	X	X	X
53.	3/2/2014	Westminster, MD	McDaniel College	College	X
54.	3/7/2014	Tallulah, LA	Madison High School	K-12	X	X
55.	3/8/2014	Oshkosh, WI	University of Wisconsin – Oshkosh	College	X
56.	3/21/2014	Newark, DE	University of Delaware	College	X
57.	3/30/2014	Savannah, GA	Savannah State University	College	X
58.	4/3/2014	Kent, OH	Kent State University	College	X
59.	4/11/2014	Detroit, MI	East English Village Preparatory Academy	K-12	X	X	X
60.	4/16/2014	Tuscaloosa, AL	Stillman College	College	X	X
61.	4/21/2014	Griffith, IN	St. Mary Catholic School	K-12	X	X	X
62.	4/21/2014	Provo, UT	Provo High School	K-12	X			X
63.	4/16/2014	Council Bluffs, IA	Iowa Western Community College	College	X	X
64.	5/2/2014	Milwaukee, WI	Marquette University	College	X	X
65.	5/3/2014	Everett, WA	Horizon Elementary School	K-12	X	X
66.	5/4/2014	Augusta, GA	Paine College	College	X	X
67.	5/5/2014	Augusta, GA	Paine College	College	X	X
68.	5/8/2014	Georgetown, KY	Georgetown College	College	X	X
69.	5/8/2014	Lawrenceville, GA	Georgia Gwinnett College	College	X	X		X
70.	5/21/2014	Milwaukee, WI	Clark Street School	K-12	X	X	X
71.	6/5/2014	Seattle, WA	Seattle Pacific University	College	X	X	X
72.	6/10/2014	Troutdale, OR	Reynolds High School	K-12	X	X	X	X	X
73.	6/23/2014	Benton, MO	Kelly High School	K-12	X	X	X
74.	6/27/2014	Miami, FL	University of Miami	College	X
75.	8/13/2014	Fredrick, MD	Heather Ridge High School	K-12	X
76.	8/14/2014	Newport News, VA	Saunders Elementary	K-12	X	X	X
77.	9/2/2014	Pocatello, ID	Idaho State University	College	X	X
78.	9/5/2014	Savannah, GA	Savannah State University	College	X	X
79.	9/10/2014	Lake Mary, FL	Greenwood Lakes Middle School	K-12	X			X	X
80.	9/11/2014	Taylorsville, UT	Westbrook Elementary School	K-12	X	X
81.	9/24/2014	San Antonio, TX	Joel C. Harris Academy	K-12	X
82.	9/27/2014	Nashville, TN	Tennessee State University	College	X	X
83.	9/29/2014	Terre Haute, IN	Indiana State University	College	X	X
84.	9/30/2014	Albermarle, NC	Albermarle High School	K-12	X	X
85.	9/30/2014	Louisville, KY	Fern Creek High School	K-12	X	X
86.	10/3/2014	Fairburn, GA	Langston Hughes High School	K-12	X	X	X
87.	10/8/2014	Elizabeth City, NC	Elizabeth City State University	College	X
88.	10/13/2014	Nashville, TN	Tennessee State University	College	X
89.	10/18/2014	Langston, OK	Langston University	College	X	X
90.	10/21/2014	Memphis, TN	A. Maceo Walker Middle School	K-12	X	X
91.	10/24/2014	Marysville, WA	Marysville-Pilchuck High School	K-12	X	X	X	X	X
92.	11/3/2014	Dover, DE	Delaware State University	College	X	X
93.	11/20/2014	Tallahassee, FL	Florida State University	College	X	X
94.	11/23/2014	Annapolis, MD	St. John’s College	College	X	X
95.	12/5/2014	Claremore, OK	Rogers State University	College	X			X	X
96.	12/16/2014	Pittsburgh, PA	Sunnyside Elementary School	K-12	X	X	X
97.	12/17/2014	Waterville, ME	Benton Elementary School	K-12	X			X	X
98.	1/15/2015	Milwaukee, WI	Wisconsin Lutheran High School	K-12	X	X
99.	1/16/2015	Ocala, FL	Vanguard High School	K-12	X	X
100.	1/20/2015	Mobile, AL	Williamson High School	K-12	X	X
101.	1/23/2015	Hardeeville, SC	Royal Live Oaks Academy	K-12	X
102.	1/26/2015	Roseville, MN	Hand in Hand Christian Montessori School	K-12	X			X	X
103.	2/2/2015	Mankato, MN	Minnesota State University	College	X			X	X
104.	2/4/2015	Frederick, MD	Frederick High School	K-12	X	X
105.	2/5/2015	Columbia, SC	University of South Carolina	College	X	X	X	X	X
106.	2/15/2015	Athens, GA	University of Georgia	College	X
107.	2/15/2015	Little Rock, AR	Lawson Elementary School	K-12	X	X
108.	2/15/2015	Merced, CA	Tenaya Middle School	K-12	X	X	X
109.	2/23/2015	Daytona Beach, FL	Bethune-Cookman University	College	X	X
110.	3/9/2015	Coon Rapids, MN	Northwest Passage Alternative High School	K-12	X			X	X
111.	3/30/2015	Springfield, MA	American International College	College	X
112.	4/2/2015	Beaver Falls, PA	Community College of Beaver County	College	X	X
113.	4/2/2015	Jackson, TN	Lane College	College	X	X
114.	4/4/2015	Everett, WA	Everett Community College	College	X
115.	4/13/2015	Goldsboro, NC	Wayne Community College	College	X	X	X
116.	4/17/2015	Seguin, TX	Seguin High School	K-12	X			X	X
117.	4/19/2015	Charlotte, NC	Johnson C. Smith University	College	X	X
118.	4/22/2015	Las Vegas, NV	Ruthe Deskin Elementary School	K-12	X
119.	4/27/2015	Lacey, WA	North Thurston High School	K-12	X
120.	5/4/2015	Cleveland, OH	Willow Elementary School	K-12	X	X	X
121.	5/5/2015	Conyers, GA	Conyers Middle School	K-12	X
122.	5/12/2015	Tempe, AZ	Corona del Sol High School	K-12	X			X	X
123.	5/20/2015	Robinson, TX	Robinson High School	K-12	X			X	X
124.	5/24/2015	Flint, MI	Flint Southwestern Classical Academy	K-12	X	X
125.	5/27/2015	Everglades City, FL	Everglades City School	K-12	X	X
126.	6/4/2015	Franklin, NC	South Macon Elementary School	K-12	X
127.	6/23/2015	Fort Calhoun, NE	Fort Calhoun Elementary School	K-12	X
128.	7/5/2015	Dallas, TX	Coppell Middle School East	K-12	X	X
129.	7/24/2015	Converse, TX	Elolf Elementary School	K-12	X	X	X
130.	7/27/2015	Gainesville, FL	University of Florida – Gainesville	College	X
131.	8/8/2015	Wichita, KS	Wichita State University	College	X	X	X
132.	8/8/2015	Paradise, TX	Paradise High School	K-12	X
133.	8/23/2015	Richmond, TX	William Velasquez Elementary	K-12	X
134.	8/25/2015	Augusta, GA	Hornsby Elementary School	K-12	X	X
135.	8/27/2015	Savannah, GA	Savannah State University	College	X	X	X
136.	9/3/2015	Sacramento, CA	Sacramento City College	College	X	X	X
137.	9/11/2015	Lafayette, LA	Northside High School	K-12	X	X
138.	9/14/2015	Cleveland, MS	Delta State University	College	X	X	X
139.	9/22/2015	Statesville, NC	Central Elementary School	K-12	X	X
140.	9/28/2015	Butte, MT	Montana Tech of the University of Montana	College	X
141.	9/30/2015	Harrisburg, SD	Harrisburg High School	K-12	X	X
142.	10/1/2015	Roseburg, OR	Umpqua Community College	College	X	X	X

[Patty Smyth]

Yet you're both discussing it.

What I mean I is don't want to discuss my opinion or have someone try to engage me in a circular argument. By all means we can discuss the shooting I just don't want someone ragging on me because I am anti gun, we have done this to death.

[Darth Penguin]

2015: 274 days and 295 mass shootings

Today a shooter opened fire at a community college in Oregon. Early media reports indicate numerous fatalities and a number of additional people wounded. That brings the total of mass shootings this year -- incidents where 4 or more people are killed or injured by gunfire -- to 294.
There have been only 274 days this year. The shootings are captured in this calendar, drawn from the the Mass Shooting Tracker. The tracker draws some criticism because its definition is broader than the FBI's definition, which requires three or more people to be killed by gunfire. But the broader definition is nonetheless a useful one, because it captures many high-profile instances of violence — like the Lafayette theater shootings — that don't meet the FBI's criteria.

[Lynn49]

Patty, that list!!!!! I honestly had no idea!!!
Home of the brave, eh? They HAVE to be brave to live with that!!

[DaveP]

By all means we can discuss the shooting

Okay, but you're doing more than discussing this shooting, you're discussing all shootings and blaming them on the 2nd amendment, the NRA and politicians and the existence of guns. The blame for the shooting lies with Chris Harper Mercer, not with the 2nd amendment, not with the NRA and not with the politicians.

[Lynn49]

[gryphon]

Some of those school shootings actually arent school shootings.....Lisitng crimes ina school parking lot that happened after school let out as a school shooting while technically accurate is not reallty helpful

[gryphon]

Does that include all the ILLEGAL guns that laws and bans wont stop people from getting? Because Chicago has the strictest anti gun laws in America......lots of gun deaths every week there....

[DaveP]

Does that include all the ILLEGAL guns that laws and bans wont stop people from getting? Because Chicago has the strictest anti gun laws in America......lots of gun deaths every week there....

Yes, Chicago is a great example. Very hard for a law abiding citizen to get a gun there so only the criminals have guns. And the astronomical crime rate shows it.

[Natalka]

http://www.breakingnews.com/topic/sh...-roseburg-ore/


Hundreds of people at the candlelight vigil at Stewart Park in Roseburg, Ore.




https://twitter.com/DouglasCoSO

[Natalka]

Douglas County Sheriff's Office

33 mins ·




Update from Sheriff John Hanlin - 7:15 PM - Again, our focus tonight is on the victims and their families. We have paired up deputies and victim specialists with each family as we work through the process of identifying all of the victims.


As we talked about previously - this is considered a mass casualty incident and those protocols mean that we likely will not release any names before tomorrow at the very earliest.


We have information that leads us to believe we know who the shooter is. The official ID will come from the medical examiner's office.


Let me be very clear: I will not name the shooter. I will not give him credit for this horrific act of cowardice. Media will get the name confirmed in time... but you will never hear us use it.


We would encourage media and the community to avoid using it, repeating it, or engaging in any glorification and sensationalization of him. He in no way deserves it. Focus your attention on the victims and their families and helping them to recover.

(more below)

https://www.facebook.com/DouglasCoSO...04108323006999

[Darth Penguin]

Let me be very clear: I will not name the shooter. I will not give him credit for this horrific act of cowardice. Media will get the name confirmed in time... but you will never hear us use it.


We would encourage media and the community to avoid using it, repeating it, or engaging in any glorification and sensationalization of him. He in no way deserves it. Focus your attention on the victims and their families and helping them to recover.

+ 1million

I always try to avoid naming these people.

[gryphon]

+ 1million

I always try to avoid naming these people.

To name them is to immortalize them at the expense of the lives lost....Let the dead be remembered and the killer lost to time