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    Harper has no voice in Quebec, no one here voted for him so he doesn't care what goes on.

    His interference would only make things 10 times worse anyways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TaraF View Post
    Oh Dave you so silly! However on the Harper issue, he is the Prime Minister of Canada (whether I or anyone else likes that or not) and he has a responsibility to this Country to see that order is kept. So if complete and utter mayhem has been taking place in Quebec for 3 months straight why hasn't he stepped in to do anything about it? Or hell, I haven't even heard him denounce anything publicly.
    Education and Provincial Bills are Provincial not Federal matters. If he did get involved, many people would see him as interjecting where he doesn't belong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by K8's Fate View Post
    Education and Provincial Bills are Provincial not Federal matters. If he did get involved, many people would see him as interjecting where he doesn't belong.
    There are enough people who think of Harper as a dictator with him adding to the fire, himself.
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    Whether anyone voted for him in Quebec and whatever Harpers feelings on Quebec are (which most are aware of) Quebec is still a province within Canada and Harper is the Prime Minister of Canada therefore he would have say in what happens in Quebec. I don't mean in jumping in and touching the tuition issue but rather of restoring peace that those living there feel they no longer have.

    It's kind of like those that say the student unions are only condoning the violent behaviour of some by not speaking out against it, well I feel the same about Harper. By sitting by and watching a Province deal with what some are describing as 100 days of violence and not do something about speaks volumes. Kinda like the silence is deafening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TaraF View Post
    Whether anyone voted for him in Quebec and whatever Harpers feelings on Quebec are (which most are aware of) Quebec is still a province within Canada and Harper is the Prime Minister of Canada therefore he would have say in what happens in Quebec. I don't mean in jumping in and touching the tuition issue but rather of restoring peace that those living there feel they no longer have.

    It's kind of like those that say the student unions are only condoning the violent behaviour of some by not speaking out against it, well I feel the same about Harper. By sitting by and watching a Province deal with what some are describing as 100 days of violence and not do something about speaks volumes. Kinda like the silence is deafening.
    And if he did get involved, we would hear that he has no right because these are provincial issues.

    Here are some of the Provincial rights that correspond to this issue:

    • property and civil rights,
    • administration of justice,
    • education,
    • health.


    Federal responsibilities include:

    • defence,
    • criminal law (federal),
    • employment insurance,
    • postal service,
    • census,
    • copyrights,
    • trade regulation,
    • external relations,
    • money and banking,
    • transportation,
    • citizenship, and
    • Indian affairs.


    Also, I'm not a Harper fan. However, until the Federal Government is asked for aid from the the Quebec Government, then I feel the Federal Government should not get involved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TaraF View Post
    Whether anyone voted for him in Quebec and whatever Harpers feelings on Quebec are (which most are aware of) Quebec is still a province within Canada and Harper is the Prime Minister of Canada therefore he would have say in what happens in Quebec. I don't mean in jumping in and touching the tuition issue but rather of restoring peace that those living there feel they no longer have.
    send in the army?

    deport the protestors?

    That'll calm everything down , I don't think


    And yes ...That was hyperbole....


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    Quote Originally Posted by K8's Fate View Post
    That's funny. Never heard of that until now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by K8's Fate View Post

    Federal responsibilities include:

    • postal service,


    Well, the govt won't have to step in if the postal service gets disrupted. Think of the violence when all those couponers are told they can't get their Brandsamplers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TaraF View Post
    Canada is starting to resemble Nazi, Germany and quite frankly it scares me. And if it doesn't scare you it should.
    Tara, before you start making such statements, I suggest you speak with people who lived through WWII & could better inform you on why that statement is so terribly hurtful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andit View Post
    Sara, you're a lovely young lady & I enjoy reading your posts. But if things are so very bad for you, maybe you need to do what my friend's nieces are doing & take a year off, work 2 jobs & save your money. A lot of my friends did that & are none the worse for it.

    In my case, I was paying roughly $4000/yr for university. My classes ran 9-5, M-F. I worked 2 jobs (4 in the summers, when I didn't have classes). All at minimum wage. I was lucky in that I lived with my parents, but I was expected to pay for the groceries (my Dad had been out of work, so we had tons of bills). I had a car, because my university was an hour away (nearly 3 hrs if I took the bus), so insurance was quite a large expense. Because I lived with my parents, I wasn't eligible for any sort of student loan, so I had to pay for everything myself.

    Oh & this was 24 yrs ago, long before you were born, when I was lucky to get $5.hr.

    & my life was fun. I saved pennies & managed to pay for some fun vacations. I went dancing every Fri & Sat in the summer (when I wasn't in school) & managed to graduate debt-free.

    Never once did I expect the govt to pay for anything. I just do not understand these protestors.
    Your tuition sounds so good compared to what it is now! Then again minimum wage was way lower so I guess it is about in line with what we pay now. I am a part time student and my tuition is roughly $5000/year. I didn't qualify for OSAP since I have been working since I was 16, and they decided I had too much in savings even though it was barely enough to cover my first year. I worked for almost 3 years before deciding to do the whole school thing. My sister goes full time and her tuition is roughly $10,000/year. She gets OSAP though since she didn't have any jobs in high school and had very little savings.
    I will hopefully be able to graduate debt free since I only have a year left (and summer school next year). It's taking me twice as long to graduate but it's the only way I can afford to go to school. I'm hoping to move though and I will probably need to work two jobs since the cost of living in Toronto is so high. Luckily I have modeling income and I can pick up jobs at $50-$100 an hour. That's if I can book enough work to avoid needing the second job! If not I will just beg for more hours haha! I've been saving every last penny for the last few years that I have been living at home, so I have at least enough money to cover my last year of school. I just need to worry about living expenses which scares me a bit, but I know lots of people that manage so hopefully I should be okay.


    Quote Originally Posted by saradouce View Post
    I did take a year off. Worse decision ever. My marks dropped after my return.

    I'm not expecting the governement to pay for me (I was originally ''green''). I'm expecting them to listen to what I have to say!

    Do you know that for the governement, a student should only spend 7$ per day on food?
    They consider that 9400$ (loans)+ 8000$ (what you are allowed to make while on loans)= living great.
    This is under the poverty line to me! My rent is 6360$ per year! Next to the third!!

    In the majority of the europen countries, tuitions fees equals the one in Quebec right now. And noboby pipe a word because it is the way it always been!
    You have it so good if that is all you pay for rent! Try $10,800 a year plus all other bills on top of that. Yeah it majorly sucks but that is the cheapest rent available where my school is unless I want to live in an illegal rooming house. My sister lives with 5 other people and pays more then that a year for rent!

    Quote Originally Posted by Andit View Post
    Tara, before you start making such statements, I suggest you speak with people who lived through WWII & could better inform you on why that statement is so terribly hurtful.
    It's also VERY hurtful to those who are German since it's like grouping us all into one category. It's disrespectful.


    Anyway...at the end of the day I am always thankful to be Canadian at least. I'm not growing up and living in a place that doesn't accept or appreciate women. I don't live in constant fear. I'm not suppressed and forced into arranged marriages/forced to stay indoors or need an escort to be in public, and I have the freedom to do and say what I want within reason without having to worry about being tortured/executed for having an opinion that doesn't match the governments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patty Smyth View Post
    Yes I saw their sorry asses get hauled away by police.
    So you saw their student IDs and knew they were students? Wow

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    Quote Originally Posted by kparker1786 View Post
    So you saw their student IDs and knew they were students? Wow
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andit View Post
    Tara, before you start making such statements, I suggest you speak with people who lived through WWII & could better inform you on why that statement is so terribly hurtful.
    I make no apologies for my statement. It is never my intention to hurt anyone and my Uncle, yes my Uncle who just passed away fought in WWII WITH the Nazis, so I'm very well aware of what took place aside from the history lessons I learned in school like everyone else.

    Having said that, the Gestapo stopped vehicles for no reason and demanded people identify themselves, which is exactly why I made the comparison of the bus being stopped and ID being demanded for no reason by the SQ.
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    Godwin is as Godwin does....If that is your best defence....Then you need to go away and not defend your POV

    my Uncle, yes my Uncle who just passed away fought in WWII WITH the Nazis,


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    Quote Originally Posted by TaraF View Post
    I make no apologies for my statement. It is never my intention to hurt anyone and my Uncle, yes my Uncle who just passed away fought in WWII WITH the Nazis, so I'm very well aware of what took place aside from the history lessons I learned in school like everyone else.
    tara's OP....


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