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    I am so angry and disgusted just reading this! I don't see how a man who willingly sliced another mans head off and began to eat his flesh could ever be considered "STABLE!"

    http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/a...day-trips?bn=1

    Man who beheaded bus passenger wins right to escorted day trips


    WINNIPEG—A man who beheaded and cannibalized a fellow passenger on a Greyhound bus in Manitoba has won his bid to leave the grounds of the mental hospital where he is being kept.


    A Criminal Code review board has ruled that Vince Li’s treatment team may grant him short escorted trips into Selkirk.


    The review board says the passes will start at 30 minutes and increase incrementally to a maximum of full days.


    The board also says the passes should only be granted if Li’s treatment team believes his condition is stable and that it would be “appropriate and safe for him to leave the locked ward.”


    Li will have to be escorted at all times by a staff member and a security officer.
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    I'm sure that the family of that young man are very reassured that Li is now considered safe to leave the hospital grounds. Heaven forbid something awful should happen to him.
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    If he's so stable they should transfer him to jail.

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    Schizophrenia can be a terrible disease when it's unmanaged, both for the person with it and for those with whom they come into contact. Regardless of whether or not Li is allowed out and for how long, I am thankful to find out that his treatment is working; living with schizophrenia ain't easy and I'm happy he's not considered to be dangerous to the public, including the nurses and care workers who look after him at the mental facility. Regardless of what happens in terms of community integration, he will probably be monitored for the rest of his life to make sure that he never poses a danger to anyone again.
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    I think they shouldn't have wasted tax money and time on him and police should have shot him during this whole ordeal. Once a life is taken in that manner, there is no going back. That young man who was brutally murdered had his future taken and many of the people on that bus will never recover from the horror of witnessing it.

    This is honestly how I feel about this. Mental illness or not, for what he has done, no sympathy from me.
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    lol. I already know I am gonna inflame people with my opinion, but I am with glowworm2k on this one.

    What he did was mortifying, yes. Should we have killed him on the spot for doing it? Personally, I don't think so. I don't see how killing someone because they killed someone does anything other than reduce all of us to a bunch of barbarians. But that's a discussion best left to a thread that debates the merits of capital punishment.

    For those of you who have not experienced mental illness first hand, consider yourselves lucky. I worked in a facility that cared for long term mentally ill folks. It was both nerve wracking and heart breaking. That being said, the man was mentally ill when he committed the crime. He did not "choose" to be mentally ill or to act in a deranged manner any more than someone "chooses" to have cancer or dementia or cystic fibrosis. Mental illness is just that: mental illness.

    After a high profile case like that, rest assured he will ALWAYS be on the public radar and under scrutiny to ensure he doesn't pose a danger again.
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    There's a big difference between people who make a choice to commit a horrific act out of revenge, spite, greed, to avoid getting caught for a robbery or losing assets to a divorce, for the pleasure it... than people who do it because they have uncontrolled schizophrenia.

    I'm glad Li is getting the help he needs and that mental health experts are ensuring public safety is a priority. The prison system isn't capable of providing for this type of care both in the facility, nor when prisoners are released.

    At least 1 out of 7 people will be living with mental illness at some point in their lives and most do not commit violent acts. Smoking weed once dramatically increases one's chances of ending up with schizophrenia, but there are other predisposing factors like family history and others.

    I ride the greyhound bus, people with all types of mental illness and criminal backgrounds live in my community. I have compassion for the family for the loss of their child, but my view is different than some of yours.

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    I don't think there will be any danger to the public because he will be escorted by a staff member who knows him and a security officer.
    I can understand the desire to blame and punish someone for such a horrific death. But he was out of his mind when he did it. The blame has to go to his mental illness, which is now being treated and managed. He should of course never be released from the hospital, but punishing him for something he had no control over isn't going to help anyone.
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    had he beheaded someone in his own homeland of China, he would of been executed for his heinous crime, but this being Canada with its lax laws...... have the taxpayers paying for his " well-being" and meanwhile........ the victims family will never have their son back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ninna View Post
    lol. I already know I am gonna inflame people with my opinion, but I am with glowworm2k on this one.

    What he did was mortifying, yes. Should we have killed him on the spot for doing it? Personally, I don't think so. I don't see how killing someone because they killed someone does anything other than reduce all of us to a bunch of barbarians. But that's a discussion best left to a thread that debates the merits of capital punishment.

    For those of you who have not experienced mental illness first hand, consider yourselves lucky. I worked in a facility that cared for long term mentally ill folks. It was both nerve wracking and heart breaking. That being said, the man was mentally ill when he committed the crime. He did not "choose" to be mentally ill or to act in a deranged manner any more than someone "chooses" to have cancer or dementia or cystic fibrosis. Mental illness is just that: mental illness.

    After a high profile case like that, rest assured he will ALWAYS be on the public radar and under scrutiny to ensure he doesn't pose a danger again.
    I also work with people who are mentally ill. I would agree with you for the most part except for the fact he knew he was suppose to be taking his medication and he refused to. The concequence of that was what occured; he murdered a man in cold blood and cannibalized him. He willingly chose to go this route and he knew what would happen if he didn't take his medication. Its time people take responsibility for their actions. Its one thing to have a mental illness; its another to refuse to take your medication and go out and kill people.

    People don't "choose" to be mentally ill. You are correct. People do however choose to NOT take their medication and they know full well the concequences of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snow Queen View Post
    Its time people take responsibility for their actions. Its one thing to have a mental illness; its another to refuse to take your medication and go out and kill people.

    People don't "choose" to be mentally ill. You are correct. People do however choose to NOT take their medication and they know full well the concequences of it.
    But do they? Medication is not a cure, it's a control - or rather an attempt at control - of the illness. Sometimes works sometimes does not.

    And if the meds aren't working as it's hoped they should, can we really say he chose not to take the meds and must bear the consequences? The choice may well have been influenced by his illness. He may not be responsible for his choice to cease meds, it may have been his illness.

    Now, I'm a conservative, and I'm in favor of the death penalty in certain cases (Clifford Olson, Paul Bernardo, Robert Pickton, for example), but in this case it's highly likely an illness he had no control over made this entire tragedy happen. He will never have a normal life, that was denied him by a chance of fate. He is to be pitied not hated. His lost life as well as the lost life of his victim are to be mourned.

    He will never be set free, but to allow him a measure of (very) controlled freedom should be allowed unless we are simply going for retribution. And to seek retribution against an illness seems, well, evil in itself.

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    I'm glad it was mentioned in the interview that he didn't know he was mentally ill at the time. I didn't know if he had or hadn't, never having read much about it. Of the people I do know that are mentally ill (bipolar disorder), they are very adamant that they take their medication regularly, no matter how much they feel they don't.

    One has been a very good friend for the past 15 years and I would never have known she was taking medication. She was one of the brightest in her class, finished two degrees, and is now a specialist in a hospital, working exclusively with pre-school children. I think one of the many sad things about this case are the number of people who feel they have read or heard enough in the media to cast their judgement on what people are really like (celebrities or otherwise) and close their minds to anything that would go against their set ideas.

    It's not that I think there should be no reprecussions, or precautions for him. Quite the opposite. But reading the responses to articles on the usual news websites, it seems that people come to their own conclusions before it's stated as fact and respond out of anger instead of reason. Or they make racist comments because they want to be heard. Everything about this story is sad.
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    I understand completely that he is ill and is not completely responsible for his actions but at some point we need to "punish" any offender that commits such a heinous crime. Should he be hospitalized and treated for his illness. Absolutely! Should he be able to go to McDonalds. No! He has forfeited his right for out of hospital forays.
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