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    Quote Originally Posted by Skippy View Post
    DW and I got our second shots today,just some pain in the arm.Still saddened that there are still deniers out there!
    What's truly sad is that excluding kids, it seems there are still somewhere around 1 in 5 who won't get vaccinated. So more than just a few.
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    My father got his first vaccines a while back .He had the pfizer...The last vaccine was 1 month ago I think...Pfizer is talking about a 3 vaccine because of the severe variant,.,..
    I got my first moderna vaccines 2 months ago...going for the 2 vaccines wednesday morning.We had no side effects.
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    I recently heard that the Pfizer vaccine in men can cause heart failure. Something I felt uneasy after this news caught my eye.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leslie Simpson View Post
    I recently heard that the Pfizer vaccine in men can cause heart failure. Something I felt uneasy after this news caught my eye.
    Each vaccine has some potential side effects. Talk to a family doctor about which vaccine is appropriate. Even the flu vaccine can cause serious side effects for a small portion of the population. Sometimes the benefits outway the risks, after talking to a doctor who knows the person's health history and risk factors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shwa Girl View Post
    Each vaccine has some potential side effects. Talk to a family doctor about which vaccine is appropriate. Even the flu vaccine can cause serious side effects for a small portion of the population. Sometimes the benefits outway the risks, after talking to a doctor who knows the person's health history and risk factors.
    Agreed. apparently given the millions of doses given out the number of occurrences is very small and can be treated easily.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leslie Simpson View Post
    I recently heard that the Pfizer vaccine in men can cause heart failure. Something I felt uneasy after this news caught my eye.
    This is the kind of news coverage that drives me bonkers and to which my mother listens and believes. One or two cases of bad outcomes after a few billion doses and my mother refuses vaccination because she heard that someone somewhere in the world had died from inoculation.

    Those very rare cases are still sad and tragic, but the higher likelihood of a bad outcome from catching CoVid is far more probable.

    Someone has to win the lottery (even for the bad outcomes.)
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    What is truely sad is that millions of people are contracting the Delta variant. Look what is happening in the UK now. Will this happen here. Are we in for a 4th wave in the fall as the Delta variant spreads. Why do people refuse to get vaccinated. The US wants the border between Canada and US opened. I hope it doesnt happen because the variant is spread like wildfire among people who refuse to get vaccinated. And these people want to enter Canada. No Way!!! You refuse to get vaccinated; then Canada should refuse the right of entry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SnowFlakey View Post
    What is truely sad is that millions of people are contracting the Delta variant. Look what is happening in the UK now. Will this happen here. Are we in for a 4th wave in the fall as the Delta variant spreads. Why do people refuse to get vaccinated. The US wants the border between Canada and US opened. I hope it doesnt happen because the variant is spread like wildfire among people who refuse to get vaccinated. And these people want to enter Canada. No Way!!! You refuse to get vaccinated; then Canada should refuse the right of entry.
    For non-Canadians, entry into this country is a privilege, not a right, and if the requirement to qualify for this privilege is being vaccinated, that will be completely fine with me.

    As for returning Canadians, I hope the feds will maintain decent levels of protocols re negative testing requirements, isolation, quarantine, etc. for a while yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SnowFlakey View Post
    What is truely sad is that millions of people are contracting the Delta variant. Look what is happening in the UK now. Will this happen here. Are we in for a 4th wave in the fall as the Delta variant spreads. Why do people refuse to get vaccinated. The US wants the border between Canada and US opened. I hope it doesnt happen because the variant is spread like wildfire among people who refuse to get vaccinated. And these people want to enter Canada. No Way!!! You refuse to get vaccinated; then Canada should refuse the right of entry.
    Some people want to come to Canada to visit relatives they have not seen for a long time. Some have children under 12, who can't get the COVID shot yet. They hope to get COVID shots for children under 12 by March 2022.
    https://www.nbcnews.com/health/healt...icial-n1274057
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shwa Girl View Post
    Each vaccine has some potential side effects. Talk to a family doctor about which vaccine is appropriate. Even the flu vaccine can cause serious side effects for a small portion of the population. Sometimes the benefits outway the risks, after talking to a doctor who knows the person's health history and risk factors.
    That sounds good. But I have the biggest uncertainty about how these vector vaccines will turn out to humanity at all. I may be stereotypical, but I have more confidence in traditional vaccines, because such vaccines have been tested for decades.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leslie Simpson View Post
    That sounds good. But I have the biggest uncertainty about how these vector vaccines will turn out to humanity at all. I may be stereotypical, but I have more confidence in traditional vaccines, because such vaccines have been tested for decades.
    Why do you differentiate between 'traditional' vaccines and CoVid vaccines? Are you specifically uncertain of the mRNA-type vaccines or just anything related to CoVid-19? There are other types of CoVid vaccines that are based on more traditional approaches. For example, I think the Johnson & Johnson vaccine uses traditional technology in that it is built around elements of dead viral components.

    Older vaccines like smallpox and polio may have been around longer, but they all had to start at time zero somewhere. Of course, if only a decades-long record of success can satisfy you, then that is certainly your prerogative and you are likely not alone on that stance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HermanH View Post
    This is the kind of news coverage that drives me bonkers and to which my mother listens and believes. One or two cases of bad outcomes after a few billion doses and my mother refuses vaccination because she heard that someone somewhere in the world had died from inoculation.

    Those very rare cases are still sad and tragic, but the higher likelihood of a bad outcome from catching CoVid is far more probable.

    Someone has to win the lottery (even for the bad outcomes.)
    Thank you, voice of reason

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    In QC, masks are still mandatory as well as keeping your distance wherever possible. In most restaurants, you have to sign in leaving your name and phone number in case of an outbreak. If restaurants are doing it, why dont grocery stores and big box store do it also. Ive seen some fully vaccinated people out and about not wearing masks. It doesnt make sense to me since a lot of people refuse to get the vaccine. It does worry me a bit even though weve been out and about a bit more. Theres a lot more i can say about all this but our next door neighbour refuses to get vaccinated because he says its a money grab. Others say they dont get the flu vaccine so why should they get this one. I dont know; i just dont know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SnowFlakey View Post
    Theres a lot more i can say about all this but our next door neighbour refuses to get vaccinated because he says its a money grab.
    Regardless of the other differences of opinion, maybe you can ask your neighbour how his refusal would change things. Does he expect to help the government save money by refusing to take a vaccination? (That money is already spent.)

    Will he somehow be saving money on his future personal taxes?
    Does he expect a tax credit for his next return by declining this year's vaccination?
    Does he expect the government to see the lower demand for CoVid vaccines and buy less next year?
    (Historically, this may be valid. I think that there was a recent shortage of seasonal influenza vaccine because public health authorities based their purchase on previous years' vaccination uptake rates and thus an insufficient number of doses were purchased and thereby unable to meet demand.)

    Even if the federal government sees doses going to waste, I think that they will continue to buy enough doses for the entire population, just in case some change their minds. (And your neighbour will be paying a share of that cost/'money grab'.)

    I may not agree, but am interested in how he came about his reasoning and where it goes.
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