Covid-19 situation

[HermanH]

A grocery store a few towns over is already facing backlash that they are now allowing unmasked partons to shop in their store. Most of our local stores have enforced no exemptions on masks, if you cannot wear one you may use curbside pick-up. But this business has openly stated they are still enforcing masks but will allow those who are exempt to shop without and are suggesting that instead of curbside being for those who cannot wear a mask curbside should be used for those who feel uncomfortable shopping with those not wearing a mask. I am not debating people's rights but my ultimate concern here is for their staff who have no choice, they cannot do their job curbside.

[Emphasis mine] Another myth. Of course the staff have a choice. They can always move to a different store. Given the reported labour shortages nationwide, this should be easier than ever. Patrons and staff are always able to switch to establishments that cater to their needs. No legislation is ever needed.

[SnowFlakey]

[Emphasis mine] Another myth. Of course the staff have a choice. They can always move to a different store. Given the reported labour shortages nationwide, this should be easier than ever. Patrons and staff are always able to switch to establishments that cater to their needs. No legislation is ever needed.

not all staff have a choice to move to a different store for various reasons. But everyone has a choice to get vaxxed or not. There are medical exemptions for some not to get vaxxed. And im not getting into a pissing contest with you about this. Lets agree to disagree.

[SnowFlakey]

Last evening we went to the Casino de Montreal (run by the QC govt. They were asking everyone for the Vaccine Passport and scanning. Also asked for ID and we had to lower our masks for them to verify. We saw some peeps were being turned away because they werent vaccinated. Bravo the for QC Govt for following their rules. Certain establishments will now become a privilidge and not a right.

[HermanH]

not all staff have a choice to move to a different store for various reasons. But everyone has a choice to get vaxxed or not. There are medical exemptions for some not to get vaxxed. And im not getting into a pissing contest with you about this. Lets agree to disagree.

The same choice to vaccinate or not is the same choice to relocate or not is the same choice to enter any business or not. Everyone should be allowed to enjoy their own choices, without demands from others.

You have your religion and I will follow science. To each their own.

[HermanH]

Certain establishments will now become a privilidge and not a right.

And the new age of discrimination begins. We learn nothing as a society. There was discrimination because some people were not 'white' enough, wrong gender, religion, too poor, or take your pick. Society keeps saying that things will change 'the next time', but it never does. Now, we choose to discriminate over health choices. Probably just a matter of time before the return of armbands and scarlet letters.

[GoodBoy]

Last evening we went to the Casino de Montreal (run by the QC govt. They were asking everyone for the Vaccine Passport and scanning. Also asked for ID and we had to lower our masks for them to verify. We saw some peeps were being turned away because they werent vaccinated. Bravo the for QC Govt for following their rules. Certain establishments will now become a privilidge and not a right.

Well done QC! Glad they are doing this. They should not be a right. Well done!!

[GoodBoy]

not all staff have a choice to move to a different store for various reasons. But everyone has a choice to get vaxxed or not. There are medical exemptions for some not to get vaxxed. And im not getting into a pissing contest with you about this. Lets agree to disagree.

He only posts to get into a pissing contest. Your posts make sense and I thank you for them.

[HermanH]

Certain establishments will now become a privilidge and not a right.

And entry into businesses has always been a privilege and never been a right. This has not changed one iota. A business can legally refuse entrance or service to anyone for any reason (except those protected under Canadian Human Rights legislation.)

Don't like your shoes or clothes? No entry
Too loud? No entry

Ignorance of the law (or science) is not a justification.

[alex78]

Thanks for taking the time to tell us how it's working--I just ordered some more ink for the ol' printer. I'll be fine to use my phone but my parents will need a print out. To be fair they both have a copies of the 'receipts' that they got emailed after their first and second anyway, so they're used to having some proof on hand.

Have a great weekend all!

Last evening we went to the Casino de Montreal (run by the QC govt. They were asking everyone for the Vaccine Passport and scanning. Also asked for ID and we had to lower our masks for them to verify. We saw some peeps were being turned away because they werent vaccinated. Bravo the for QC Govt for following their rules. Certain establishments will now become a privilidge and not a right.

[Arjon]

He only posts to get into a pissing contest. Your posts make sense and I thank you for them.

Or even if he actually believes what he writes, why get into a discussion with someone whose mind is clearly not open to other points of view and who has previously failed to provide any real body of evidence indicating that his opinions about COVID are actually based on solid science as he claims they are?

[HermanH]

Or even if he actually believes what he writes, why get into a discussion with someone whose mind is clearly not open to other points of view and who has previously failed to provide any real body of evidence indicating that his opinions about COVID are actually based on solid science as he claims they are?

As usual, unable to challenge the science, so the personal attacks ensue. I notice that NO One has been able to refute the science.

A grim warning from Israel: Vaccination blunts, but does not defeat Delta

Israel has among the world’s highest levels of vaccination for COVID-19, with 78% of those 12 and older fully vaccinated, the vast majority with the Pfizer vaccine. Yet the country is now logging one of the world’s highest infection rates, with nearly 650 new cases daily per million people. More than half are in fully vaccinated people, underscoring the extraordinary transmissibility of the Delta variant and stoking concerns that the benefits of vaccination ebb over time.

To reiterate for those with difficulty of comprehension:

1) Israeli rate of double-dose vaccination 78%
2) Gold standard double-dose Pfizer vaccine
3) 650 new cases / 1,000,000 daily
4) 50% cases occuring in FULLY vaccinated people

Oh, yeah, Israel had vaccine passports from the very beginning and look where it got them. Of course, there are always those who simply cannot learn from the errors of others and must repeat every single error.

[Arjon]

As usual, unable to challenge the science, so the personal attacks ensue. I notice that NO One has been able to refute the science.

A grim warning from Israel: Vaccination blunts, but does not defeat Delta



To reiterate for those with difficulty of comprehension:

1) Israeli rate of double-dose vaccination 78%
2) Gold standard double-dose Pfizer vaccine
3) 650 new cases / 1,000,000 daily
4) 50% cases occuring in FULLY vaccinated people

Oh, yeah, Israel had vaccine passports from the very beginning and look where it got them. Of course, there are always those who simply cannot learn from the errors of others and must repeat every single error.

I will always trust the science over the self-important loudmouths on a web forum.

Once again, you fail to present anything resembling a solid scientific case based on the full body of available knowledge and evidence, not just selected bits that support your opinion, which is just that, an opinion, not scientific fact.

And I will take my own advice and not reply to whatever more you wish to say on this topic.

[HermanH]

Once again, you fail to present anything resembling a solid scientific case based on the full body of available knowledge and evidence, not just selected bits that support your opinion, which is just that, an opinion, not scientific fact.

And I will take my own advice and not reply to whatever more you wish to say on this topic.

Ahahaha, as usual, when challenged for facts, none are forthcoming. So, I will say, again, put up or shut up.

For the scientifically ignorant, that's how science works. A current theory is only replaced or repudiated when a better theory or evidence is presented.

As it currently stands, the information out of Israel is the only published study on transmission after vaccination. Everything else is just conjecture and opinion. Your 'advice' is the only useful point you have added. Additional ignorant opinions, absent of facts, are not helpful in the advancement of either science or discussion.

[SnowFlakey]

Ok, heres a bit of information for everyone out there. For peeps or seniors who dont have cell phones, you can go the your local aid agencies in your cities, librairies, trophy places and possibly book stores and ask to have your QR Code plasticised. You need to print out your QR code and then bring the paper with you. I dont know about other provinces but here in QC, you have the option to print the smaller code to fit your wallet. You would need to cut that out and bring it to the places i mentioned above and ask to have it plasticised. You might need to do a bit of exploring where you can get your code wallet plasticised. Start with your local health agency and they might be able to guide you where to go. Hope this helps.

[anisa]

some people like to cherry pick, or exaggerate for attention.

At first people were upset at having to distance, so they refused to distance, and then claimed that the distancing wasn't working, because people were still getting sick.

Then people refused to mask, claiming that the authorities have already told the public that masks 'don't work',
Masks work to keep your spit away from me, thankyouverymuch.

Then people claimed that masks are suffocating them. I'm sure all the people who are Dr's, Nurses, Therapists etc wouldn't be able to perform surgery or patient care if that were the case.

Now people are claiming whole lists of nonsense about how vaccines cannot possibly be a cure-all.

Which they aren't.
They are a tool, as are all the measures that have been utilized these past 2 years.

The selfish ones in our society will look for any excuse to be selfish. they will not change unless they take a good, long and hard look at their behaviours. The Narcissists of our society will always exist, we just have to know when to distance ourselves from them.

They are dying in hospitals and still denying that Covid is real. To h#!! with them.